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Carroll principal: Elizondo not reassigned
Players, fans gather to protest volleyball coach's possible exit

By Stuart Duncan (Contact)
Originally published 05:27 a.m., May 8, 2008
Updated 05:27 a.m., May 8, 2008

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Carroll High School head volleyball coach Doris Elizondo currently is not being reassigned, according to one school official. Yet a spokesperson for Elizondo said Wednesday the coach still fears she could be.

Nearly 100 people gathered across the street from Carroll on Wednesday afternoon in support of Elizondo. Many of those were current Tigers volleyball players decked out in "We want Coach E to Stay" T-shirts and holding up banners in support of the coach.

Carroll High School principal Bobby Templeton said Wednesday that "as of today, no final decision has been reached by this school district concerning the reassignment of Coach Elizondo."

"Coach Elizondo, and all other coaches and administrators, are fully aware that reassignment of job duties is a possibility," Templeton added. "Since this is a personnel issue, we cannot comment on specific details. However, issues have been raised by parents, staff and community members concerning her actions, which prompted my investigation into these matters."

Corpus Christi Independent School District superintendent Scott Elliff, CCISD athletic director Brenda Marshall, and Carroll High School athletic director Terry Morris were unavailable for comment Wednesday.

Elizondo referred all questions about her coaching status Wednesday to League of United Latin American Citizens Council No. 1 education chairperson Susie Luna-Saldana.

Luna-Saldana led Wednesday's rally for Elizondo and played a tape recording for those in attendance in which she says that Morris, who she said knew he was being taped, told Elizondo that she would be reassigned in May.

"Unfortunately this is happening because there are certain parents that want coach Elizondo moved," Luna-Saldana said. "Coach Elizondo has never been written up for anything. Up to this point, there have never been any concerns brought to her attention. When you connect the dots, the idea is that (a few Carroll volleyball parents') children are not getting enough playing time."

Carroll High School volleyball Booster Club president Terrie Steen, the mother of Carroll junior volleyball player Melanie Steen,said it will be unfortunate if Elizondo leaves in May because it could hurt the team.

"My daughter wants (coach Elizondo) to come back and I want what my daughter wants and what's best for the team," Terrie Steen said. "If this particular team is going to be successful with Elizondo at this point, then that's what we need to do because this team's on a roll -- just let them play volleyball."

Carroll junior volleyball player Erica Humbach said Elizondo told her and the other Tigers volleyball players that she wants to come back and coach the team next season.

Humbach said it won't sit well with many of Carroll's volleyball players if Elizondo is replaced next season.

"Bringing someone in (to coach the team) that is completely new and who doesn't know us at all -- that will not end up well for us," Humbach said. "We're fighting for coach Elizondo and she knows it. We love her and she loves us."

In six seasons at Carroll, Elizondo has led the Tigers to five straight district titles in Class 5A, including six straight playoff appearances. She's posted a 133-53 coaching record at Carroll and has a 187-115 career volleyball coaching record in 13 seasons.

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related links Posted by 233913 on May 8, 2008 at 6:37 a.m.

There has been a history of influential parents exerting that influence in the Carroll athletic program and not always for the benefit of all the students in the programs. I'm sure Carroll is not alone in this problem, but it is my belief that those parents are part of the problem, not part of the solution at Carroll!
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related links Posted by 260472 on May 8, 2008 at 7:23 a.m.

I've heard its a problem at Ray too. Some parents just need to grow up and stop babying their children when it comes to athletics.
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related links Posted by 401151 on May 8, 2008 at 9:17 a.m.

This happens all the time when coaches are replaced ETC..... Get over it and if the Carroll team is THAT good...then they should be able to prevail in any circumstance!!
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related links Posted by 711213 on May 8, 2008 at 9:34 a.m.

Volleyball is a club sport, all of these Carroll players play yearround at a tremendous cost to their parents. My dog could coach the Carroll team and it would win district; however, it's when the carroll squad faces teams with the same club experience is when they do not have the same level of success. I have heard several comments from parents whose children have played and graduated from Carroll and they all comment on the negative volleyball experience under Coach Elizondo. Just as a principal has the right to assign teachers to teach different content subjects, they also have the right to assign and reassign coaches which they believe are in the best interest of the school. AFT is in the business of supporting unproductice teachers and employees.
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related links Posted by 392620 on May 8, 2008 at 10:15 a.m.

There is so much more to the story....The accusations by the Coach's supporters that this is about RACE or PLAYING TIME is a crying shame ! Why are so many of her former players and their parents against her ?? Surely it isn't about their playing time ! Their careers are OVER ! This is about this Coach's CHARACTER, inappropriate discussions of SEXUAL content, ETHICS, ROLE MODELING, inappropriate and abusive language, and other personal traits and behavioral patterns...Parents/ players have been afraid to speak out because this Coach is so retaliatory .
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related links Posted by 463408 on May 8, 2008 at 11:29 a.m.

What about the Carroll girls varsity basketball coach?? my daughter plays basketball (does NOT attend Carroll, THANK GOD) and i have seen behavior i would not tolerate in the gym or outside the court displayed by Canales (i believe is her name?)

The previous posts stating it is parents crying about playing time, I believe it.. i have seen players transfer to other schools to get more playing time.. whether it is basketball, baseball, football etc... ray had a varsity player that came from a 4A school and played varsity basketball... and you can't tell me it was for the academics.... especially with the TAAKS scores for Math down the drain at Ray.

Bottom line these girls will not play professional volleyball, or be in the olympics!!! Sports should be a PART of school/life not your whole life... in 5yrs no one will remember or give a flip who so-and-so was......
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related links Posted by 308886 on May 8, 2008 at 11:55 a.m.

The Carroll volleyball and basketball coaches should be made to sit in the gym and everyone who wants to can line up and curse them to their face. Each person will be allowed three minutes to curse the coaches and everyone else can stand back and laugh until it's their turn to curse them. That sounds fair. Chuck Norris hates coaches who curse their players.
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related links Posted by 712428 on May 8, 2008 at 12:31 p.m.

If Coaches Elizondo's conduct was SOOO abusive, Why did these past parents allow their children to play for her??? Something doesn't seem right here. If past parents thought she was unfit they should have complained then. Their children don't attend Carroll anymore. BUTT OUT!! Their opinions should not matter, only those attending Carroll now should have any say in what happens. If your children were being abused and you did nothing about it.....SHAME ON YOU!!
My daughter has played for Coach Elizondo and she loves her and feels like she is one of the most motivating coaches she has ever had.
As for as her talking about sexual matters.....SHE TEACHES HEALTH!!! and sex education is part of the curriculum.
As for cursing, I would prefer for coaches not to curse, BUT every coach I know at Carroll curses, so I guess we have to get rid of all of them starting with the AD/head football coach and all the way down.
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related links Posted by 712432 on May 8, 2008 at 1:06 p.m.

If there are so many problems with Coach Elizondo, why has she never been written up? No coach is perfect and I've seen the things they (coaches) have to put up with from parents like these few, who throw their money around and think they can buy everything for their kids. GET REAL! If your girls don't have the position they want or the one you want for them, tell them to work harder to try to get that position or stay where they are and do the best they can in the position they have. DON'T try to oust another player when she has worked her tail off and plays her position 150%, and because her parents don't have a lot of money or influence you think you can push her out? SHAME ON YOU! If you are not happy, move your kids to a school where you can buy your kids position on the team, it teaches them that they don't have to work for anything because you parents will get it for them! It's so sad because this has split up the girls on the team and can this be salvaged? Who knows, but I hope Coach Elizondo stays because she is no different than other Carroll Coaches. If she goes, then the head football coach needs to go, we've known and heard things about him for years. The girls basketball coach....same thing. How many coaches have had affairs with students at Carroll? 4 that I know of. BOTTOM LINE...you parents who are causing the problems are doing it so your kids can have more playing time and you want your kids in another position and Coach Elizondo wouldn't budge. There have been so many lies, I was just curious about this whole situation til I heard Coach Morris telling her she was out (recording). He, Carroll, CCISD and these parents who THINK they are influential should be ashamed!
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related links Posted by 296404 on May 8, 2008 at 1:07 p.m.

Principals do not have to ability to change the content area of teachers. They must be certified in their teaching field. History teacher can not be assigned to teach science per say.

As for abusive language... How many of you have been to a football game? Or is it because we are talking about coaches who coach ladies? Boys' coaches do it all the time but rarely do we hear about this being an issue with them. I bet (not knowing much about this suitation) she is big fish in lil pond. When this team goes out swimming in open oceans it finds out that their are other fish just as bad as they are.. Playoff record? Not too deep?
Look athletics (minus baseball) in the Coastal Bend is week at best. Coach has potty mouth and bad playoff record and the lighted torches come out.. get real folks..stop wearing yall's emotions on your sleeves....there are things said to athletes that mom and dad do not need to hear.
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related links Posted by 296404 on May 8, 2008 at 1:08 p.m.

weak sorry folks
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related links Posted by 712430 on May 8, 2008 at 1:19 p.m.

This is not about playing time, winning records, playoff performance, or parents trying to influence coaches and administrators. Common knowledge, those issues don't get investigated by school administators. This is about the actions and events that occured when a teacher was with students. In the gym, on the field, or in the classroom, it is the administration's responsibility to investigate allegations of wrong doing aimed at their staff.

Every parent reporting concerns to the administration is "influential", regardless of their social or economic status in the community. Just because there is no documented history of unacceptable behavior, doesn't mean it has not happened. Perhaps the administration should just ignore parental concerns, and fail to investigate allegations just because the coach has won championships; I think not.

This situation was revealed to the media, public, and school by the parents, students, and Coach Elizondo, not the school or district administration. This situation is not about tape recordings of what might, could or will happen to the job status of Coach Elizondo, it is about investigating the allegations reported. If she has done no wrong, then she will be exonerated. If not, then she will bear the consequences. "The truth shall set you free".
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related links Posted by 711213 on May 8, 2008 at 1:21 p.m.

Post 296404 are you going to cry racial discrimination when the principal assigns the biology teacher to teach chemistry. Let the principal do his job and stop playing the race card.
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related links Posted by 242334 on May 8, 2008 at 1:32 p.m.

Behavior aside, I believe this is about competent coaching or the lack thereof. Its about winning and having a winning program. These girls are very talented some more than others as it is with every team. This starts by having your BEST players on the floor to give your team the BEST chance at winning. This program should be competing at the regional level and above. The talent is there, they just need someone who can identify it and use it to its full potential. If volleyball season ended with the crowning of a district champ then I would be impressed, since it doesn't I'm not.
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related links Posted by 710462 on May 8, 2008 at 1:41 p.m.

There has to be more to this story that we know. Playing the race card is my first clue something must be wrong with this coach. How pathetic! Teachers and principals get reassigned all the time. Get over it!
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related links Posted by 308886 on May 8, 2008 at 1:45 p.m.

This is Skip Noe's fault !! He needs to be fired along with the rest of the city council. Well, he actually doesn't have anything to do with this, but fire him anyway...what the hell !! :) Chuck Norris hates it when people don't get fired !! HAHAHAHAHA !!!
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related links Posted by 296404 on May 8, 2008 at 1:48 p.m.

Racial... Hell I'm from dallas and have lived with more mexicans and blacks then most that read this paper. It is nothing racial at all from where i stand..

Science in science is not a move freak...

Science to history is a move out of content area..711213
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related links Posted by 296404 on May 8, 2008 at 1:50 p.m.

Nobody comments on other boy sports and how their coaches' speak...

ever wonder why at half time teams get away from the stands?

Potty language people..I'm for the coach hear yall not the other way around....
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related links Posted by 712428 on May 8, 2008 at 1:51 p.m.

The parents who have had negative experiences with Coach Elizondo are the same parents with children who do not play the position they want or as much as they want. The vast majority of current parents and players support Coach Elizondo. The few parents that are complaining are not use to being told NO. Carroll volleyball is extremely competitive and not everyone will play equally or to every parents satisfaction. I have heard some of the complaints and none of them are substantial. If she is re-assigned because of these complaints, then every coach and administrator needs to be re-assigned because they are all guilty of it. She is being singled out because there is an agenda. These few people have already hand picked a new coach of their own choosing.....does that seem fair??
THE VERY PARENTS MAKING THESE ALLEGATIONS WERE FINE WITH COACH ELIZONDO WHEN THEY WERE TRYING TO "WINE AND DINE" HER TO INFLUENCE HER COACHING DECISIONS, AND WHEN SHE DID NOT PLAY THEIR CHILDREN AS THEY THOUGHT THEY SHOULD BE PLAYED, THEY TURNED ON HER.
This type of influence-pedaling is not right and should have no place at Carroll or any other school. These parents not only "wine and dine" coaches, but also principals, athletic directors, the superintendent and school board members. Do you think it is fair to YOUR child to have a few people with money and access controlling your child's future? What kind of lesson are we teaching our kids?? Are we teaching them that hard work and sacrifice pays off to earn a position or that those with the largest pocket book get what they want at any cost!! Make no mistake about it, this has nothing to do with Coach Elizondo's abilities or ethics. This is all about a few parents wanting to control Carroll High School Volleyball.
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related links Posted by 712435 on May 8, 2008 at 1:55 p.m.

What's really sad about this whole deal is the kids. The daughter's of complainers were made to go to the rally by their parents and they stood there and laughed, made rude comments, rolled their eyes and were very disrespecful of the whole rally, they made themselves so obvious.. Their parents should have attended if they wanted to know what they rally was about like some of the other parents who didn't agree. There is such a thing as freedom of speech. Everyone has a side and everyone has a right to their opinion. RESPECT IT!
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related links Posted by 712435 on May 8, 2008 at 2:01 p.m.

712428 WELL SAID. I've seen some of the school board members, CCISD employees, and the school principal in the winer and diner's suite at the Hook's Games. Why??????????
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related links Posted by 238212 on May 8, 2008 at 2:13 p.m.

Either you got it or don't. I'm sure that any school would love to have her with such a winning record. As stated earlier none of these kids are going to make money in the sport they are in. We all know parents take sports very seriously and live their lives thru the kids. Even at the little league level coaches curse as well as parents and unfortunately this is part of the game. How many kids make money as a professional in any sport percentage wise. The books must come first and sports as a side interest so that they can think when their bodies can't play anymore.
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related links Posted by 711216 on May 8, 2008 at 2:28 p.m.

I am a proud hispanic woman and I resent anyone who screams foul because of race. Anyone who does so brings shame on us all. This is not the way it should be done. I respect and support teachers and administrators who try to take a stand against those who should not be around our kids. I am disappointed in LULAC for taking on this issue. I support Mr. Elliff and the good work that he is doing keeping our students safe from teachers (coaches) who do not treat our kids the way they shoule be treated. I will be disappointed in him if he allows this unprofessional behavior to continue.
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related links Posted by 239291 on May 8, 2008 at 2:55 p.m.

Every single time that someone "of color" feels that they are threatened they begin screaming, like Chicken Little, that the sky is falling and play the RACE CARD. Get over it. Coach Morris doesn't have a bigoted bone in his body.
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related links Posted by 329691 on May 8, 2008 at 3:05 p.m.

Sometimes you wonder who is worse, the parents or the kids.
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related links Posted by 711040 on May 8, 2008 at 3:18 p.m.

League of United Latin American Citizens Council No. 1 ???? If that's who is going to answer the questions concerning this ladies job, I say give her her walking papers today! Enough said!

Another way to solve this issue is to move all sports out of the school system and budgets. They do nothing but disrupt the school day, cost tax payers money, give students an excuse for not doing their school work, and create a small group of elites with swollen egos.
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related links Posted by 709493 on May 8, 2008 at 3:30 p.m.

Post 712428--excellent post; you hit the nail right on the head. I heard Mr. and Mrs. Whiner made a sizeable donation to the Carroll baseball program. This was very unusual since their son wont even get to Carroll til next year. This was an obvious attempt by the Whiners to use money to help their son get more playing time when he plays baseball at Carroll next year. I also heard Mr. Whiner also used his luxury box to wine and dine the Carroll baseball coaches. They brought them up, fed em, even introduced them to the Lord God King of Texas Baseball, Nolan Ryan. That's the way it works with these money people--that's how they operate. Ive got a message for these folks: Since neither of you were probably successful athletes, you need to understand that sports is an equalizer. In sports, it doesnt matter what your dad does for a living, what kind of car he drives, what your moms position is with the Carroll PTA, or whether you are a named beneficiary of a trust fund. Dont worry, high school passes in a flash, so it wont be long til you can intervene and set them up academically, professionally and financially. But for now, in sports, the only thing that matters is CAN YOU PLAY!!

If the concerns of these self-proclaimed movers and shakers are so legitimate, then they should go to the next school board meeting and voice their concerns publicly. Dont be cowards and lobby school officials on the phone or in your luxury box--DO IT SO WE CAN SEE WHO YOU ARE AND HOW YOU JUSTIFY THE ACTIONS YOU WANT CCISD TO TAKE AGAINST THIS COACH!!

PS--Memo to Joe Ortiz: What the hell are you doing up there on the stage with Coach and Susie Luna? Knowing you, you are probably there for the sole purpose of fetching all the "chisme" (gossip) first hand, then bringing it all back to "Chisme Central," where Johnny Canales and Henry Medina anxiously await your return. Now A C-T article on how these guys made their money--THAT would be an interesting story. Coach Elizondo can get by this on her own merits, especially her unbelievable winning percentage. I know it's hard for you to resist when someone rolls out a tv camera, but you and your "comadres" need to stay out of it--youre damaging the Coach's credibility!!
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related links Posted by 712435 on May 8, 2008 at 3:45 p.m.

Everyone knows that a donation was made and the coach was TOLD to put Mr. & Mrs. Whiners daughter on varsity. She's held her own, but I bet my kids wish I had that kind of influence, they had to earn their space on varsity sports the old fashioned way. You know, they had to WORK THEIR TAILS OFF! In fairness, we aren't talking about one family here. There is another family with sisters on the team that are just as involved.
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related links Posted by 258638 on May 8, 2008 at 3:55 p.m.

I wonder how many of the kids can read and write? It is time to get the sports out of the schools until academics are up to snuff. This is a waste of taxpayer money.
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related links Posted by 711523 on May 8, 2008 at 4 p.m.

in response to 711040

I completely disagree with you on the issue of taking sports out of school. Imagine all the kids who participate in football, soccer, baseball, volleyball, softball, etc. More than anything these programs teach responsibility, accountability, and teamwork to kids. It's the parents who don't like their kids to be held accountable, who don't believe in teamwork, and are too irresponsible to care that ruin athletics. Besides, if all these kids weren't attending practices after school, do you really think they would be doing homework,..get real, they would be running around looking for something else to do, ie....nothing good probably.
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related links Posted by 711216 on May 8, 2008 at 4:01 p.m.

I have been a teacher for years and I never respond to school issues but this one blows my mind.
Where did it ever become acceptable to call a press conference, play the race card (Im Hispanic) just beccause you did not like the decision your boss made. Imagine what our schools would be like if everyone who was upset because they did not get the exact assignment they wanted did this. If anyone needs to call a press conference and scream discrimination over something like this, they need to go find a job somewhere else.
If she is such a great coach, she should have no trouble finding a new a new position.
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related links Posted by 711762 on May 8, 2008 at 4:26 p.m.

This is what keeps this racist crap stirred up. What does lulac have to do with the school. It must be nice to have someone get and help you keep a job when you are screwing up. A perfect season or winning record are not what this is all about. There are other issues at play here and it is not race based but thats what it is being made out to be.
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related links Posted by 712435 on May 8, 2008 at 4:27 p.m.

Post 711216

I bet you would feel differently if you were railroaded by a posse of parents and I'm sure LULAC got involved because there is so much more to this story, which will hopefully come out in the next few weeks. There will be a lot of surprises. But you sure hit the nail on the head, not everyone does this, and this is not common, so it must be something BIG!
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related links Posted by 464165 on May 8, 2008 at 4:38 p.m.

The "race card" is being "used" here because there is an important issue at hand. It's not the fact that she's hispanic and the administration or principal is white...it's that the parents (aka Mr. and Mrs. Whiner) are white! So you have white parents going against a hispanic coach....is race the only reason they're doing this, no, but it doesn't help!

Unfortunately, Corpus is a very tense place when it comes to race relations. I'm hispanic for your information and I feel that race/ethnicity/gender is a big issue here.

Would the same event be taking place if the coach was white? male? Would this coach have "played along" with mr. and mrs. whiner if she were white or a man? Is it because she's a hispanic that she chose not to play ball with the rich folk? Perhaps these rich white people feel she is beneath them because of her race?

She's got a winning record. An impressive one at that.
Would you like a coach that doesn't play you???
Would you like a coach that doesn't play your kid??

Some parents just go too far.
I don't think race is the only issue here, but I do think it is more in depth than some people care to think.
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related links Posted by 423831 on May 8, 2008 at 4:48 p.m.

I have seen several Carroll Volleyball games in last few years and I have never seen the reps from LULAC, the G I Forum or the NAACP that held the press conference yesterday at any of those games. We need to remember that it is all about the kids. Lets just pray that whatever the outcome of this issue, the welfare of ALL of the young ladies on the team remains the #1 priority for everyone involved.
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related links Posted by 402661 on May 8, 2008 at 5:27 p.m.

I have been a proud parent of Carroll High School for over 7 years. I have had the privilege of knowing Coach Elizondo and many of the other coaches at Carroll High School as well as the administrators. My children have been involved in sports and other activities as well. Let's get something straight and talk about the real issue and truth. The truth is that a group of parents went to our administrator and complained about Coach Elizondo. Maybe they paid off some administrators, maybe they didn't, but there was some sort of exchange because no administrator in his right mind would have done this without being paid off. The same goes for the administration down at CCISD. Is it true that these parents who complained have money? Yes it is but there are alot of other parents who have children who attend Carroll with alot more money and have not gone to this extreme. These parents just feel that their daughters are better than anyone else, which is false. Coach Elizondo has been very lucky to have such a large group of good players, some better than others. In this case, one girl was put on the varsity team because of what her parents have promised the administration. Is is true that they wine and dine school administrators and directors, yes it is. Go to a Hooks game and check out their box. Coach Elizondo was accused of many wrong doings without ever being given the chance to defend herself. If the principal was a professional, he would have supported her and not the parents. What does that say to every hard working teacher and/or coach out there? This job is her livelihood. Why would she make up some story about being fired if it was not true. The real problem was started by the principal, not the parents and not Coach Elizondo. The principal is lieing to every parent invovled in this no matter what side you are on. He is not being truthful and because of this, many stories and rumors are being told. He tells you what you want to hear to get you out of his office and because of this many people are being hurt. If he would have been a professional to begin with, this matter could have been resolved in a few days. But it has amounted to this, and unfortunately many will be hurt by this no matter what side you are on. I am supporting Coach Elizondo because I believe she has not been given a fair shake on this, and I am also friends with those who have complained, but the bottom line is that the principal needs to resign and admit his wrongdoings and he owes everyone involved an apology.
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related links Posted by 259368 on May 8, 2008 at 5:56 p.m.

POINT BLANK: RACE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ISSUE!!

I played volleyball under the dictatorship of Doris Elizondo. I have personally filed complaints numerous times about her lack of professionalism on and off the court ie. cursing, demoralization, belittling, favoring, FRATENIZING, and lack of knowledge of the game. I don't know what your idea of a role model is, but that woman is a disgrace to Carroll itself. By keeping Doris Elizondo in the CCISD system is only going to hinder the generations to come. Wow, maybe with a new coach Carroll Volleyball would actually be able to win past the second round in playoffs. Come on girls; don't be afraid of being equal again with a new coach. If you are really the superstars you claim to be, you should not worry about a new coach coming into the picture.
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related links Posted by 260472 on May 8, 2008 at 6:35 p.m.

Okay, now you got me curious.. I think I know who Mr. and Mrs Whiner are, but why doesn't someone just say it... if you have the proof, it shouldn't be a problem. But, I will say this, Carroll isn't the only school that has these problems. EVERY SCHOOL has a coach that fratenizes and EVERY SCHOOL has a parent willing to pay whatever it takes to get their child whatever they want. Unfortunately when they grow up, that all goes away.
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related links Posted by 259368 on May 8, 2008 at 7:29 p.m.

in response to 402661

Paid off administrators? Are you serious? Come on man, you could come up with something better than that. Get you facts straight. People like you are the sole root for the rumors which are uproaring all over the city. People file complaints, adminstration look in the complaints. It's called an investigation. And don't even drag the Principle into this issue. He is handling this situation to the best of his ability. If anything Coach Elizondo needs to resign. And buddy like I said please know what you are talking about before you make a fool of your self on the internet. The principle is just simply doing his job. Grow up.
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related links Posted by 462672 on May 8, 2008 at 8:16 p.m.

Ray High school does not have this problem. Of Course, Ray High School has never had the same varsity volleyball coach 2 years in a row...The good news is... Ray is getting Prudence Farrell next year to coach Volleyball! So anyone who wants to... y'all come on over to Ray!
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related links Posted by 712444 on May 8, 2008 at 9:49 p.m.

FROM A GROUP OF FORMER PLAYERS!

I am sick and tired of people acting like they know what is going on. Why don't you actually ask someone who has been in the program. I have experienced every horrible moment, i am SIMPLY thankful i made it out still sane. This is not a race issue so why even get the NAACP and LULAC involved. For Ms. Luna-Saldana you might want to stop accusing "rich white girls" as the main ones trying to get rid of Elizondo. In fact why dont you take a look at the RICH WHITE GIRLS standing behind her that have already paid her off. I have walked into team mates houses and witnessed Elizondo drinking alcohol with the parents. IS THAT WHAT YOU LIKE TO CALL PROFESSIONAL? What about when she threatened my team mate with her life if she missed a serve? Or when she sabotaged scholarships. Or what about promising players positions before they even try out? Or the countless times she has failed to follow UIL guidelines, that alone can put CCISD in jeopardy.

The only reason the girls are supporting her is because they know they can get what they want out of her. I have sat there and listened to EVERY SINGLE one of her players say how much they cannot stand her. However, her main supporters know that if she leaves a better coach will come along and play the people that actually deserve to be on the court. Wouldn't it be nice to have a coach that knew how to play more than just six girls. Why does elizondo put 17 girls on varsity to have 11 of them sit the bench? Personally, i would of love to have a coach that actually knew what she was talking about and didnt forget about her players during practice.

I would really appreciate it if you people looked at her supporters and realized they are the ones paying ELIZONDO OFF.

Dr. Templeton is simply doing his job. And ps he is married to a mexican so GIVE IT UP about the race issue. Half of carroll's staff is mexican.
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related links Posted by 427586 on May 8, 2008 at 9:49 p.m.

I played for Coach Elizondo this year on varsity and it was one of the worst experiences of my life. Not only is she CLUELESS on the game of volleyball,but she is an all around bad coach. She knew about the harassment and teasing of a player all season and yet she failed to do anything about it- that has to break some code or rule! Another thing, YES I AM ONE OF THOSE WHO "ROLLED THEIR EYES" AT THE PRESS CONFERENCE,. How would you feel if a whole crowd boo'd at you!? And for the record, i wasn't forced to go! Get your facts straight. This coach may have a good winning streak, but credit should not be given to her. She was blessed with all the talent in the world this year, and the only reason we didn't anvance further into playoffs was because of her lack of coaching. Has anyone noticed that NOT ONE senior in the past 6 YEARS (including my own sister) isn't playing college ball when it's only obvious that they should be. Not even Alyssa Endres, Laura Choi, both of the Morenos, and other outstanding players are not playing now. Does that not SCREAM a poor coach!? Another thing! This "coach" has already promised a number of players a starting spot on next year's team. Isn't that what tryouts are for? The players on the team are already dividing themsleves and have been ever since hearing the wonderful news of her beng asked to leave. There have been secret meetings that not every parent or family is invited to and the shirts were the same way. Can't you see the UNITY!? If this coach stays, the team will stay divided for all next year and far past that. As of now , CARROLL VOLLEYBALL HAS TURNED INTO A JOKE. It cannot be taken seriously with a coach who doesnt know the difference between a perimeter and a rotation defense! If you'd like to see all the talent on carroll's team go to waste (YET AGAIN), then go ahead and keep Coach Elizondo.
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related links Posted by 702497 on May 8, 2008 at 9:58 p.m.

Quit bringing up the race card. There is no need for it.

Obviously there is something wrong with the coach. Now wether these complaints have any merit is another question. If she is behaving inappropriately with students then yes, she needs to be reprimanded. If it is a parent or parents that are mad because their little Suzy is not getting enough play time or is not playing the postion she wants then tough ****. Too many parents baby their kids. They need to learn they cannot have everything their way in life. If you continue to do this then you are looking at a nightmare up ahead in life. Your child will have so many problems as an adult. It is time to cut that umbillical cords PARENTS and let your kids learn that life is not always fair and will not always go the way they want it to. To me these parents are nothing but big spoiled brats themselves.
As for the coach...I do not like the fact that coaches cuss so much around the kids. It happens though. You don't see me getting my panties in a wad over it. The kids need to deal with it and know that she is the one looking like a fool to her students.
Someone mentioned that this coach is known to retaliate. Hmmm...okay...can you tell me how she does it? I have never heard anything like this before. If you know something then let it out on here. That is what these forums are for. Let the readers decide after all of the FACTS not OPINIONS are presented.
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related links Posted by 710237 on May 8, 2008 at 10:05 p.m.

I have several things to say:

1. It was a very sad thing to see that the girls were used to be up there at the rally with their special T-shirts. It was very sad that Elizondo encouraged them to participate in order to back her up. And if they didn't, how would she have treated them? If they didn't how would the rest of the team treated them? We should never allow our children to be used in this manner. It's an adult situation and adults should deal with it. This just shows very poor judgement on Elizondo's part. For this, she should be sent packing as someone put it.

2. Anytime I see Susie Luna I know there is trouble. This loud-mouth Atila the Hun is a known liar and exaggerator. Never believe a word that comes out of her mouth. She uses others to benefit her own agenda Jokes on you, Elizondo for allowing Luna to represent you. This makes you a loser.

3. How in the heck did LULAC get involved in something like this? How did they allow Susie Luna to use them in this manner? It appears to me that there is a conflict of interest: why didn't Luna have Elizondo represented by the AFT the organization who pays her salary? Did the AFT not want to represent Elizondo and so then Luna gets LULAC invovled? Something is fishy here.

4. I find fault with any professional who doesn't want to communicate with his/her direct supervisor and work out a situation. I have no respect for Elizondo for hiding behind LULAC to do her fighting for her. What does this teach her girls? Poor judgement again. Very immature behavior from Elizondo.

5. Don't think for one minute that this is all to the story. Because it is a personnel issue some things will have to be kept private and will never surface. Elizondo knows this very well yet she uses LULAC and the team to stir things up that she knows the principal will not be able to respond to in public...only in his office with her. I suggest she do that.

6. Regarding potty-mouths: I suggest everyone clean up their act. We are to be models for our children. Sports does not give anyone the freedom to use language that is abusive, vulgar, or inappropriate. We are better than this and our children need to look up to us. Elizondo if you partake of such language...shame on you.

7. Special gifts from parents or students...I think there is a Code of Conduct that address this issue. Follow it. This also means that the coach should not have accepted Christmas gifts from students/parents.

I'm glad it is near the end of the school year. Let the administration address this issue with Elizondo. What makes her think she can't be moved? Wake up, lady. When you signed your contract it was with the school district...not Carroll High School. I guess you are too young to know that we all can be replaced. Grow up.
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related links Posted by 712444 on May 8, 2008 at 10:08 p.m.

It is incredibly ironic that everyone thinks the people complaining about Doris are babying their kids, and that they need to learn this will get them nowhere in life. WHEN IN FACT the people supporting Doris are actually bribing her for their kids spots, to me that is ten times worse.
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related links Posted by 257671 on May 8, 2008 at 10:10 p.m.

welcome to the world of Miller high school! CCISD will do what they want. no matter who they hurt. Save your breath for something else like mentoring students. Good luck.
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related links Posted by 235951 on May 8, 2008 at 10:22 p.m.

i have some things to say also: thank goodness we do not havethat problem in SOCCER at king
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related links Posted by 444780 on May 8, 2008 at 10:46 p.m.

ALLLLLLLL OF YOU ARE COMPLETELY OUT OF YOUR MINDS IF YOU THINK YOU HAVE ANY RIGHT TO SAY ANYTHING UNLESS YOU PLAYED FOR COACH ELIZONDO!!!!! PARENTS ARE STUPID FOR THINKING THEIR DAUGHTERS DON'T HAVE SELECTIVE HEARING TO COACH'S POINTLESS LECTURES.

I HAVE BEEN AN ATHLETE MY ENTIRE LIFE AND I KNOW ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING THERE IS TO KNOW ABOUT SPORTS AND ATHLETIC POLITICS.

I HAVE PLAYED MULTIPLE SPORTS AT CARROLL HIGH SCHOOL UNFORTUNATELY COULD NOT MOVE FORWARD IN MY VOLLEYBALL AMBITIONS BECAUSE I DID NOT PLAY CLUB. NOT BECAUSE I WASN'T BETTER BUT JUST CAUSE I DIDN'T PLAY CLUB. ANYWAY.....

COACH ELIZONDO IS A HORRIBLE VOLLEYBALL COACH. BUT NOT A BAD PERSON. I ACTUALLY THINK SHE IS PRETTY FUNNY BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT SHE IS A HORRIBLE COACH BUT TAKES HERSELF SO SERIOUSLY. SHE WATCHES WAAAAAYYYY TO MANY MOVIES AND TELEVISION SHOWS ABOUT COACHING AND I BELIEVE THAT IS THE ROOT OF WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING IS HER "BAD BEHAVIOR".

SHE DOESN'T WANT TO LEAVE BECAUSE SHE KNOWS SHE CAN GET AWAY WITH BEING A BAD COACH BECAUSE ALL OF THESE GIRLS PLAY CLUB BALL BECAUSE MOMMY AND DADDY SPOIL THEM ROTTEN AND WASTE THEIR MONEY ON THEIR BRAT DAUGHTERS. BECAUSE THEY PLAY CLUB, ELIZONDO DOESN'T HAVE TO COACH. HENSE THE FIRST ROUND LOSS EVERY YEAR IN PLAYOFFS.

COACH CRAWFORD IS THE BEST VOLLEYBALL COACH IN CORPUS CHRISTI, HANDS DOWN. AND THE GIRLS WHO DON'T WANT HER AS THEIR COACH ARE STUPID SCARED THAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO HAVE TO WORK AND PLAY HARD AND BETTER THAN OTHER REAL ATHLETES TO GET THEIR POSITION. IN FACT, WHEN COACH CRAWFORD WAS THE JV COACH, ELIZONDO WOULD TAKE HER AWAY FROM HER JV TEAM SO THAT SHE COULD COACH THE VARSITY. BUT JV STILL WENT UNDEFEATED THAT YEAR DESPITE THE SET BACK! HA.

BUT ANYWAY........

THE FIRST PERSON THAT SHOULD BE FIRED BEFORE ANYONE AT CARROLL HIGH SCHOOL IS COACH CANALES, THE GIRLS BASKETBALL COACH.

TALK ABOUT GETTING TALENT EVERY YEAR. ALTHOUGH SHE DOES ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT SHE IS TALKING ABOUT, UNLIKE ELIZONDO, SHE IS THE MOST HATEFUL, BELITTLING, SARCASTIC, MEAN, INSULTING, RUDE, ANGRY, INAPPROPRIATE COACH IN TEXAS I WOULD HAVE TO SAY.

BUT SORRY THE BASKETBALL PROGRAM DOESN'T HAVE THEIR LOAD OF RICH SPOILED BRATTY GIRLS TO PAY SOMEONE IMPORTANT TO GET HER OUT OF HERE!!!

THIS IS FRUSTRATING, I WILL STOP NOW BEFORE I WRITE A NOVEL.

BUT SERIOUSLY PARENTS AND ADULTS WHO WISH THEY WERE ATHLETES.

STOP LIVING THROUGH YOUR DAUGHTERS, GET A LIFE, AND LET THE GIRLS PLAY.

I SAY BRING IN A NEW COACH, PREFERABLY CRAWFORD, AND LET THE BEST GIRLS EARN THEIR PT.
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related links Posted by 231171 on May 8, 2008 at 10:51 p.m.

This is a joke! Too bad that so many parents don't get this fired up about academics...
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related links Posted by 444780 on May 8, 2008 at 10:52 p.m.

you pass you play.....
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related links Posted by 710669 on May 8, 2008 at 11:04 p.m.

amen post 231171, sports isn't everything..
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related links Posted by 245461 on May 8, 2008 at 11:23 p.m.

Post 235951,

That is because hardly anyone pays attention to soccer.

As a coach in the area, there are many things wrong with this particular situation. However, many have said we will never know the whole story, and they are right. Involving LULAC is ridiculous. There are so many more worthwhile endeavors than the reassigning of a coach. It happens every day across this state in every sport. Representing teachers is what professional teacher organizations are for, not LULAC. Even then, a reassignment of an extracurricular activity is not normally addressed by teacher organizations, only if you are fired.

If parents and players were so outraged and unhappy by Coach's actions, why is this just now emerging. Sounds more like sour grapes.
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related links Posted by 710237 on May 9, 2008 at 12:09 a.m.

Everybody can have their say but at the end of the day it is going to be between Elizondo and her immediate supervisor.

I suggest she do everything in her power to take on a different profile and attitude. She should consider taking a retreat this weekend out of town and think about all of this objectively. She is way off course right now. This weekend, I suggest that she watche "Mr. Holland's Opus" to get herself back to the basics.

If she wasn't going to be moved then, it should be a great consideration now for all the flab she has caused and the way she agreed to have the rally staged. She went too far to make a statement and it's going to come back and bite on her big fat butt.

As a Carroll High School teacher, I find this incident appalling. Just this evening we had one of our teachers highlighted over KIII-3 for his exemplary performance as an algebra teacher and for the fact that he has been in class each day this school year. Now that we are proud of and let it be known that we have a whole slew of staff members who do their job day in and day out without getting our students riled up. In addition, we may not always agree with the administration but we do what is best for the kids and give our very best. Why? Because at the end of the day, we are a team. We are a spoke in that wheel.

I don't think Elizondo acutally understands the "team: concept for the way she has allowed an incident to sully the entire campus and staff. Even within her girls' team she has broken them up literally. These kids should be thinking about final tests, graduation, their friends, and end of school parties rather than Doris Elizondo's mess with her professional life...which is now not so professional.

No, at Carroll High School, we want to be known for outstanding teachers and scores that reflect student hard work. We all work to this end...except for Doris Elizondo who has a personal agenda which is all about her ego. Just who do you think you are, Doris? Understand that another coach will come and take your place. Life will go on. Many of these kids will leave in May and some will leave next year or the next. The kids will get over it. Now, you need to get over it and get over yourself.

Why you would want to remain at Carroll High School is beyond me after this fiasco that has not and will not accomplish anything....because simply you handled yourself in a very bad way. There is no turning back now. This whole thing is already leaving a very bad taste in everybody's mouth.
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related links Posted by 235037 on May 9, 2008 at 12:19 a.m.

To all the parents who are upset about this ... It's just a game people!

To the coach ... Texas is a "right to work" state which means your employer can fire you at anytime for no reason so get over it. Coaches come and coaches go ... they are only as good as their last season.

I want to see the day that teachers make more than coaches and parents care more about grades than sports.
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related links Posted by 712444 on May 9, 2008 at 1:47 a.m.

As a former volleyball player at carroll I would appreciate it if those of you that don't know all the facts would keep your mouths shut. I am lucky to have made it out of that program still sane.

I have a few things on my mind:

1. Ms. Luna- Saldana you should probably stop saying that the "rich white girls" are the only people that want Elizondo reassigned. Take a look at the RICH WHITE GIRLS that are supporting her, I can guarantee their parents have given Elizondo more than she could ever ask for...money wise that is.

2. For those of you who do not know. Elizondo has gone so far as to threaten my friends life if she missed a serve, made girls play hurt...against their parents wishes, sabotaged scholarships, and should i mention the countless times she has not followed UIL guidelines.

3. If anybody wants to talk about professionalism and integrity...you should know that i have gone to a team mates house and walked in to find Elizondo drinking alcohol with that kids parents. Is that what you like to call professional? Just ask Elizondo where she spent most of her free time last summer...you will find it was at a players house.

4. The entire race issue, are you serious? Is that the only way she can save her job?

5. I have to agree with the comment about even a dog could coach this team. Elizondo is very very lucky for the amount of talent that flows through Carroll. She doesn't even have to coach, which is a good thing considering she would not know how. However, this team could have beaten Churchill if a better coach were around.

6. Coach Elizondo has had a history of complaints, so do not go around thinking this is the first time. SHOULD WE MENTION THE UNKNOWN REASONS FOR HER LEAVING SINTON?

7. Dr. Templeton is a great principle and we are so lucky to have him. He is simply doing his job, so lay off.

8. For all of you parents that pay off the coach and drink martinis with her so that your daughter can play, just know that in this thing i like to call "the real world" your daughter will never make it. Believe it or not you cant pay your way out of everything.

9. Also, for the little comments about academics. I will have you know that all of the varsity team at carroll is in the national honor society and 9 out of 10 of us are easily ranked in the top ten percent. So our parents do care about academics.

And for you girls on the team that are actually sticking up for what you believe in.... I commend you. Because anybody who has played on the team knows that EVERY SINGLE one of those girls deep down wants Elizondo gone, i know i have heard them say it. They just know that if a new coach comes along, the people that actually deserve to play will, and they will have to sit the bench because all those martinis their parents paid for will have gone to waist.
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related links Posted by 708421 on May 9, 2008 at 3:50 a.m.

Problems at Carroll Highschool? Tell me it isn't so. And I'm sure the parents don't have a thing to do with huh. Wake up Kitty Cats. Welcome to the real world.
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related links Posted by 710237 on May 9, 2008 at 4:09 a.m.

To 402661

You contradict yourself.

You don't have all the facts straight.

You have emellished some things.

You are clearly out for the principal so you must have another ax to grind because you have lost sight of the problem. Again, you do not have all the facts.

It appears you have been talking to every person that has gone in and out of the principal's office. What are you, the resident spy patrol? And I guess those people have shared every bit of information with you. Right.

You seem to be friends with all parties or so you state. No, you're not. If you think you are, you are a hypicrite and perhaps a back stabber.

No one paid anyone off. Where is your proof? You don't have proof...you are only conjecturing and that's not being truthful.

The Coach has been given a "fair shake." She just didn't like the shake she was given. Too bad. She needs to look into her own behavior with her students especially. Like someone stated...she is far from perfect....you just don't see it because you are blinded by your anger and ax to gind.

I would like to see her start using more respectful language around the students. There is no need for her to curse or to belittle students. That has to stop. As a parent that makes me angry and perhaps I should go and complain directly to the principal about this.
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related links Posted by 427586 on May 9, 2008 at 8:04 a.m.

I would be arrested if I treated my dog the way Coach Elizondo treats our girls. . Parents babying there girls NOT they are trying to teach them they have rights, they have a voice and when someone..no matter who they are treats them disresptfully, abusively, they should be held accountable. Coach Elizondo is a disgrace to CCISD, and Mary Carroll high school and the whole community of CC.
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related links Posted by 711523 on May 9, 2008 at 8:47 a.m.

I personally do not know coach Elizondo, but as a volleyball enthusiast I have spent many nights at the Carroll games this past year. Yeah, the team is great, but I too know that it has nothing to do with Elizondo and everything to do with the girls playing club. In a perfect world, club ball helps players master the basic skills needed to be successfull, and then a good high school coach trains the girls on other, more difficult aspects of the game such as strategy, reading hitters, blockers, and looking through the net at the defenders. I don't know if coach Elizondo would do this or not, but if she didn't then maybe that's another reason they can't get too far past the first couple of rounds.No matter what coach they replace her with the girls need to realize that its not about the coach, but the team and I hope they realize that before it's too late.

The following of volleyball is much higher up north. They have entire sports arenas dedicated for the training, development, and teaching of the sport. I am a club coach and we have a hard time securing a gym for practice because of all the basketball leagues always going on. Take for example, Austin Juniors, which is an AMAZING program and it has a lot to do with the facilities available, the coaching staff, and the age in which the girls start out.
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related links Posted by 231171 on May 9, 2008 at 8:49 a.m.

"And for the little comments about academics"...per 712444
Thank you, 444, for making the point for me...

"Dr. _ is a great principle..."
"will have gone to waist"

Just to cite a couple. I am sick and tired of my tax dollars graduating kids who can barely read and write. I too played sports in high school, but my parents always made it clear that the sports were secondary. I am infuriated that this is getting so much press and yet the drug and violence at ALL local high schools seems to be accepted. Things need to change!
related links Posted by 353542 on May 9, 2008 at 8:51 a.m.

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related links Posted by 259368 on May 9, 2008 at 8:51 a.m.

"this team could have beaten Churchill if a better coach were around"

--AMEN to that statement

DORIS ELIZONDO = WHY WE LOST!!!!!!!!
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related links Posted by 711523 on May 9, 2008 at 9:08 a.m.

in response to 353542

Tasha Wilson is a great coach, she runs good plays and really understands the game. I have played against her 18's team, of which at least three players that I know of will be playing in college, and they are tough. As far as players not getting scholarships or college offers....that is not the high school coach's responsibility. Scouts don't even go to high school games all that much any more, they go to club tournaments were they can see 20-30 teams playing all at once. That is where college players are recruited.
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related links Posted by 711523 on May 9, 2008 at 9:20 a.m.

Man, Churchill is just the tip of the iceberg....the girls need to train to beat teams like Amarillo and Westlake. Those are the big dogs in Texas Volleyball right now.
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related links Posted by 232802 on May 9, 2008 at 9:23 a.m.

Posters, please check your spelling and grammar.
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related links Posted by 234552 on May 9, 2008 at 9:29 a.m.

Where's Coach Slaughter when you need him.....
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related links Posted by 711523 on May 9, 2008 at 9:34 a.m.

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Man, if spelling and grammar anger you that much it is a wonder you even read the Caller Times....it must drive you mad trying to pick through all the spelling and grammar mistakes made by professional writers.
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related links Posted by 260472 on May 9, 2008 at 9:44 a.m.

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I would love to see Tasha at Carroll!!!
Now, she is an excellent coach. It sounds like Elizondo has dug her own grave.
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related links Posted by 335355 on May 9, 2008 at 10 a.m.

First of all, I've tried to talk to coaches and most of the time they are unapproachable. Second, my daughter has told me not to get involved, what for they are only going to do and say what they want and in the end it's the kid that gets hurt. I feel if these girls are going on to play professional volleyball, yeah they have a right to complain.........but what are the odds. Most and I say most, of these girls only are seasonal players and have no intentions to go on and play volleyball or basketball for a career.

My motto is once you step out on that court, you are all business..You have no friends (including the Coach) and you are there to do a job............My daughter stays out of the drama and as parents we need to do the same.

However, on that note. Why does CCISD allow this kind of behavior from Coaches. They can curse, scream, yell, and just not play your kid..........and if you get involved they take it out on your kid. THAT'S FACTS. Some of these kids given a chance would be better students and later on be productive citizens. But when you have teachers and coaches always bringing them down all the time................the respect just went out the door. I could go on and on...........But in the end the teachers, principle and coaches all stick together. WHY? WHY?
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related links Posted by 463892 on May 9, 2008 at 10:13 a.m.

Prudence Farrell and Tasha Wilson may be two of the best coaches we have in this area. Thank goodness Ray picked her up. These two fabulous ladies know a ton about volleyball and could make any program successful. Prudence we are glad to see you've joined Ray. We welcome you. And Tasha we're glad you are around coaching in the club seen. Coaches like these two ladies are great for our girls. They really know about getting the teams to the next level.
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related links Posted by 232861 on May 9, 2008 at 10:31 a.m.

Lulac makes me embarrassed to be Hispanic... give it a rest already!
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related links Posted by 710237 on May 9, 2008 at 10:44 a.m.

After reading the posters, it seems things are not going the way Elizondo would have liked. She has made things worse for herself. What a shame.

The LULAC debacle has blown up in her face.

I hope LULAC is more careful next time in the causes they take on. This clearly was out of their range. Susie Luna misled LULAC and used them in a way that was not within it's mission. This was not a race issue but Luna made it into one. They evidently did not have all the facts. I am upset with LULAC for this very reason...for acting so dumb. Something like this only makes everyone consider the organization weak, out of touch, ineffective, and not having much to do in today's world. Is this all the business they could drum up?

If Elizondo sticks around a bit everyone will find that more posters have more things on her. She should have given that some consideration before going so public. Wait until some of the stuff about her very pesonal life comes out.

I suggest she consider resigning, accepting another position in or out of the district while she has a pick of places to go...but of course, after all of this hoopla who do you think will want her? NO ONE.

I don't see how the district can help her now because as everyone has stated, she has crossed the line in more ways than one. Let's see what type of rally will be held next to try to straighten all of this up. I wonder what next step (or mis-step) Luna is strategizing for Elizondo now.
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related links Posted by 402661 on May 9, 2008 at 11:01 a.m.

to post 259368;

I do have my facts straight and I do know what I am talking about. I don't write things that aren't true. So maybe you don't know your facts. And I am not your "buddy". I am not a backstabber and/or a hypocrit. I know things to be a fact. So before you accuse anyone of writing false information look in mirror.
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related links Posted by 703974 on May 9, 2008 at 11:20 a.m.

Post 232861 = BEST. POST. EVER.
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related links Posted by 232802 on May 9, 2008 at 12:18 p.m.

in response to 711523

You are correct.
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related links Posted by 711216 on May 9, 2008 at 12:36 p.m.

Amen to 232861. Sad but true.
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related links Posted by 454245 on May 9, 2008 at 1 p.m.

I have tried to be silent on this matter but find I cannot.
First, pretty much every post on this thread has some truth to it...some just a scintilla of truth and some are just so truthful it hurts. Lots are intermingled with conjecture and supposition.
All sides have had their opportunity to voice their opinions to Dr. Templeton and some have gone higher up the food chain with their opinions.
It is time for this to stop. This is way bigger than the sum of all of us at this point. Let's hope the admininstration can make a decision that is in the best interest of ALL of our kids. And we need to worry about our kids and the lessons they are learning. My hope is that they can be more mature than their parents, come together and kick some butt in volleyball this fall....regardless of who is the coach. I am confident that my child's abilities will be apparent to any coach.
Nearly beating Churchill is just a start. Our girls have a tiny taste of success in competing with the big kids. Let's remember that volleyball is still in it's infancy in South Texas. What we are experiencing are ugly, nasty growing pains. Girls get college offers from playing club volleyball. Period. Unlike alot of sports, it is hard to be seen unless you play club.
And yes, I am a white parent. My kid is spoiled as much as any other. I have forked over thousands of dollars in club fees. We all have. I suppose it's unfortunate that we have had to but that's what makes this game so competitive and why so many parents feel they can be so vociferous. Ask any player from Austin or SA that will play in college if they played club and they will emphatlcally tell you they did and for alot longer period of time than most of our girls. And surprisingly you don't necessarily have to be rich to play club. A good player will get their club fees subsidized by the club.
This a complicated and very unfortunate matter. CCISD...PLEASE make a decision soon. It is already very late in the year to be looking for a new coach. If you hire a new coach, choose wisely. Dr. T...I'm sorry you got caught in the crossfire on this. I personally think you have very high standards; that is refreshing. I fear CHS will be looking for a new principal next year.
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related links Posted by 342632 on May 9, 2008 at 1:08 p.m.

I think we should hire Chuck Norris as a replacement for her.
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related links Posted by 252401 on May 9, 2008 at 1:15 p.m.

Chuck Norris would keep all of these people in line--players, parents, coaches, adminstrators, and control-freak type booster club members. Give me a C-H-U-C-K. Go CHUCK.
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related links Posted by 232999 on May 9, 2008 at 1:24 p.m.

CCISD will wait untill the summer to move her and no one will know . The smoke will pass and you will have a new coach in the new school year . Tigers get over it it is time to cut the rope and get a new start with a new coach that will respect her players and parents .
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related links Posted by 458038 on May 9, 2008 at 1:54 p.m.

The Carroll Volleyball Girls are starting to heal amongst themselves. They are talking and agreeing that all parents
should not have gotten so involved. They are realizing that
regardless they are a winning team.

As a community, parents, friends, coaches and teachers lets stop and not demoralize them or their families anymore. Lets help them stop bleeding and start healing.

We have to remember they are teenagers. No we don't want them
belittled or treated unfairly, but these girls will soon graduate and
have to face the real world. Give them the tools they need to make
it in the real world. Talk to your daughter today and be a part of
their healing. Lets lift them up and prepare them for what ever happens.

It is out of our hands and in God's.
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related links Posted by 252401 on May 9, 2008 at 1:59 p.m.

If the citizens of Corpus Christi worried as much about academics and student discipline as they do about athletics, our school system might see some improvements.
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related links Posted by 712435 on May 9, 2008 at 2:08 p.m.

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To post 427586

You've given your identity away in your post, but why would you think anyone was booing you? Nobody mentioned your name or anything, do you have something to feel guilty about? If not, you certainly have a right to your opinion as much as anyone else does, just respect that.....but that comes with maturity.
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related links Posted by 233913 on May 9, 2008 at 2:17 p.m.

It wouldn't hurt Carroll to take a hard look at more than just one of their coaches, and what the relationship is between the coach, the players, and the booster clubs. I would like to hope that this time the involvement in the parents is to actually improve the quality of a coach - but I have seen booster clubs stay very quiet as long as their child is playing.... and I have seen (as a parent of an ex-Carroll player) a coach take an active role in trying to demoralize a player and or a team. I don't think Morris will take an active position in policing his own coaches, cause "if it ain't football it ain't important" at Carroll....
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related links Posted by 454245 on May 9, 2008 at 2:26 p.m.

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Amen.
There are lots of coaches at Carroll that need to be worried. If Elizondo isn't a saint or a good coach, she's had excellent role models in negative behavior in the athletic department at CHS.
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related links Posted by 710237 on May 9, 2008 at 2:35 p.m.

I don't think it is in the best interest of the kids for the coach to remain at Carroll. Some of the kids will be sad at first but they will get over it. This thing has gone on too far...to the point of no return.

Believe me, life will go on.

I don't care how good you think you are, you leave a position in the school district due to retirement for example, you are replaced, and you are forgotten. That's life.

Elizondo will move on and be forgotten. Unfortunately, the way she mishandled herself will live in her thoughts for a very long time. What she should have done, what she could have done will all haunt her until she can be honest with herself and realize SHE WAS VERY WRONG.

And LULAC...you are an embarrassment to my hispanic culture. You have become a joke. Find real issues, will you? You have lost true substance and integrity to your cause. Do yourselves a favor: I suggest you lose Susie Luna really fast. Do not allow her to intimadate you. Find real leadership.
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related links Posted by 454245 on May 9, 2008 at 2:42 p.m.

I don't really know that much about LULAC...but did they say their presence at Carroll was because of racial discrimination or because of some perceived unfairness in the manner in which Elizondo had been treated? Does the presence of LULAC automatically mean racial discrimination or is that implied?
Just curious.
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related links Posted by 710237 on May 9, 2008 at 2:52 p.m.

PS: the administrators might have said in the article that "no final decision" had been made about Elizondo's reassignment...well, I think a final decision needs to be made pretty soon and not in her favor. I think they have all the information they need.

She is afraid she will get reassigned? You bet. The writing has been on the wall. Smell the coffee,Doris, especially after this past week. What would you expect?

And guess what, Elizondo, YOU CAN be reassigned. Teachers are reassigned all the time especially at the end of the school year due to projected enrollment. Do they like it? No. Do they do it? Yes. Do they run to LULAC and pull the race card? No. Do they allow a rally to held across the street of their school? No. Do they allow their students to get involved? No.

Grow up, Ms. Ellzondo. Get with the program. What do you feel makes you so special? A few wins? A few martinis with the parents? A few late night visits? Hugs from the kids? I think you were made to feel very special and irreplaceable...but sweetie, it wasn't about you...it was about what you could do for particular kids. Makes you feel used, right? Well, you were but you fell into it because it made you feel special. No one is special in this world. I guess you missed the memo.
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related links Posted by 292564 on May 9, 2008 at 3 p.m.

This situation is now out of hand . . . . The Coach cannot stay with all this baggage, right or wrong is not the issue any more, the situation is poison. It's gone too far. What is best for the kids?

Doesn't every employee and teacher sign a contract and they agree to go where they are assigned. It's now time to move on. When one door closes another one opens. For the sake of the kids, a change is required and it must be done quickly.

This coach went way over the line getting the media and political groups all stirred up over a possible transfer. That was wrong and now we have a racial flash point in the works. Is anyone thinking about the kids?

What is the best thing for all at this point in time? CCISD has no choice but to fix this and move some folks around and begin next year with a clean fresh start. If this coach is as good as some folks say, well, she will take her new team to the top and show everyone. Remember, she still has a job.

CCISD must act. Leadership is needed. Make this bad situation HISTORY! Sweep this clean and let's start over . . . . If she stays it won't work and she'll end up leaving anyway, so why delay this?
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related links Posted by 238212 on May 9, 2008 at 3:08 p.m.

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You are right on. Her winning record speaks for herself. If the record was poor everybody would be screaming to get rid of her for that reason. She is obviously getting it done as a winning coach.
Cry baby cry.
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related links Posted by 335355 on May 9, 2008 at 5:26 p.m.

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Are you saying just sweep it under the carpet..............
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related links Posted by 462770 on May 9, 2008 at 6:13 p.m.

I have two Grand Daughters who played for Coach E and she was always teaching the team not only to play well but to play in a sportsmanlike manner. And if you didn't you were benched.. If you didn't work hard not only at Volley Ball but in your academic subjects you were benched... Whats wrong with that ? Its what every coach at any level insists on. If your skills aren't up to par or you can't take the discipline you don't play. Thats true no matter where you go to school and thats as it should be... Parents should be cheering the team on and helping the team through the booster club not trying to ter the team apart through politics....

Just be aware that the previous coach was forced out for the same reason that they are trying to force Coach E. out... Parents who don't understand that all the kids who go out for a sport can't be full time participants... Your kid may be a role player but not suited for full time...

By the way where is the racial baggage in this other than Doris is not anglo. But who the hell cares... My anglo family doesn't !!!!!
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related links Posted by 427586 on May 9, 2008 at 6:56 p.m.

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It wasn't that they said my name specifically , but they DID point to me and the other two girls and say "those THREE girls". That still counts as singling someone out. NO, I'm not guilty of anything except keeping my word and staying true to what I believe in.
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related links Posted by 262411 on May 9, 2008 at 7:24 p.m.

Parents should consider what all this drama does to the kids after they rant and rave. I don't see any good in any of this, except freedom of speech. Parents of players should be the ones that set the example. Let CCISD conduct their investigation and make a decision. We could put other coaches names on here and somebody somewhere will have something negative to say. People like to complain. Most non-winning coaches never get the heat or exposure that the good ones do. I've read the comments that the only reason why this coach wins is because the girls are on club teams and play year-round, that's partly true in my option. However, the Tigers have played and beaten other teams where the other girls have just as much or more club experience. Last year's volleyball team has gone as far as any other High School Volleyball team in CCISD history. They got beat by SA Churchill in a very close game. I got to see that game. They didn't lose because of the Coach, they lost because the other team was better. The girls played at their very best against a team that was slightly more talented. The girls played a strategically coached game. Elizondo inspired that team. Sideliners will disagree. High School Volleyball is in a different playing environment than club ball. In club ball, parents and coaches can pool from the very best talent in the area. High School Coaches are stuck with what comes to that school. Club ball is usually where parents can use their manipulative skills and money to get their daughters more playing time if they suck. This is harder to do at a High School where most coaches and administrators don’t care how much money or influence you have, exception Carroll. Getting past regionals is not a coaching issue but more of a talent issue. Most of these players on other teams at the regional level, go on to play Divison I,II, III or Juno. They are just plain good. You can count on your fingers the girls from here who got signed at colleges, not many. I think this Coach will have a successful season next year, if she's left alone to do her job as she has done the last six plus years.
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related links Posted by 262411 on May 9, 2008 at 7:40 p.m.

I believe some CCISD officials and some parents have circumvented due process. CCISD has stated that she has not been re-assigned, yet there is a recorded conversion of two CCISD officials with Elizondo in two different conversations that state she's been re-assigned and saying the date for her leaving is at the end of May. This is the real sad part. No due process and Elizondo’s supervisors not trying to protect her from accusations that haven’t been proven yet. If this is how it’s going to go down for her, then her supervisors have “crossed the line” and not Elizondo. If there is a new coach, will they have the same type of treatment if they upset a couple of parents because they don't play their kid or yell at players? According to some of the allegations I’ve heard and read, if we hold all coaches to these same standards then we won't have any coaches. I can't believe any body would put up with all of this garbage from these parents. I’m shocked at the level and extent they’ve gone. I’m shocked at this diatribe I’ve written. I won’t be surprised if she just quits. This will be a setback for the girls next year, especially for the returning seniors. What a way to ruin it for them. Damage to this program has been done and is being done. I wouldn't want this job having to deal with all these crazy parents. But my dog might, because anybody can coach this team because the girls have club experience that has been bought and paid for right? No, wait a minute, Carroll needs a better coach who really knows volleyball so they can……win?
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related links Posted by 712475 on May 9, 2008 at 9:54 p.m.

Thanks to the mom in charge of the support Elizondo T-Shirts. I suppose this is what the coach wanted you to do. These T-Shirts truly divided, destroyed, and ruined friendships on this team.
I commend the assistant football/weightroom coach for stepping in and trying to reunite these girls. We need more coaches like him. What was this mom thinking ? Obviously, she didn't have the team's best interest in mind.
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related links Posted by 711381 on May 9, 2008 at 9:55 p.m.

WOW!!!!! This stuff really happens. I heard of it but now It must have some validity. The vb and bb coaches at Carroll need to go sit down and talk to my former coach. I played basketball for Coach Roy Williams at West Oso; (I played vb too). He preached (literally) without all the curse words. He demanded a lot out of us without belittling us. Actually he made us believe we were better than we thought we were. He stressed academics and helped some of my team mates get scholarships. He also helped those who didn't want to play in college acquire academic and other scholaships. He was honest with us about our roles and our playing time. Once you were on Varsity you had to earn your time. When I played J.V. we all played as long as we were in practice but come Varsity you would get a uniform but I had to earn my time on the floor. BUT HE LET US KNOW. He didn't care what a (or my) parents thought. It was our program; the girls, Coach Avery, and our other coaches. NO BOOSTER OR PARENTS OR FACULTY. We all understood that from jump street. Fire the Carroll coaches if you want too but if not send them to talk to him (have some time though-he can preach). He'll teach them about repect for players and how to make a positive difference in their lives six years after they graduate. I guess my team mates and I were very fortunate to have played for Coach Williams; I always knew this but this craziness at Carroll confirms it. Good luck you guys.
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related links Posted by 712435 on May 9, 2008 at 10:53 p.m.

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Sweetie, no one singled out and said "those three girls", it just didn't happen, they said 2 or 3 parents of just a few girls.
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related links Posted by 712435 on May 9, 2008 at 10:55 p.m.

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Oh, and no one POINTED at you!
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related links Posted by 427586 on May 9, 2008 at 11:08 p.m.

i think i would know, i was standing there and you can ask any of the two other girls, they did point at us.
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related links Posted by 702497 on May 10, 2008 at 12:17 a.m.

I don't care about most of the things people are saying about this coach. However, this coach is setting a bad example by drinking in front of her students. I don't care if what she does on her own time is her business. That would be fine if she was nowhere near her students. She is not a professional. She is no better than the parents that want her out. Both parties are sorry excuses for role models.
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related links Posted by 427586 on May 10, 2008 at 7:38 a.m.

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I am the parent of this poster... BACK OFF!..... she has enough to deal with .... as you posted ... everyone has a right to an opinion .. .... so think this is enough! Leave her alone.
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related links Posted by 710462 on May 10, 2008 at 9:38 a.m.

Lulac has lost my allegiance, what a joke they have become. Shameful!
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related links Posted by 709651 on May 10, 2008 at 10:19 a.m.

I am appalled that I ever paid AFT dues to support Susie Luna's salary. She is a disgrace and I hope all of the dedicated teachers who pay hundreds of dollars each year now have a clear idea of who they are allowing to represent their interests. I am proud and grateful to say that this woman will never represent me. How LULAC allows her to use its name is beyond me.
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related links Posted by 712481 on May 10, 2008 at 10:28 a.m.

What qualities make for a good teacher and a good coach? Think on that for a minute! Would a really good leader and role model have put her students on her battlefield? This situation should have stayed between Coach Elizondo and her supervisors. Coach should never, ever have told her "girls" and students about her meeting with her supervisors. She shamelessly and SELFISHLLY brought them into this. She has told them lies and assumptions that have single handedly destroyed friendships and a winning team. Why bring in the race card Coach? Why use and MANIPULATE your "girls" in such and EVIL way? This has never been about RACE, MONEY or PLAYING TIME! So Coach, why bring in LULAC, NAACP and the GI Forum? These girls have never once thought about their color or money before, until YOU brought it to their attention. As for all those parents who griped, complained and spoke against their "beloved" coach to other players parents and to other Carroll Coaches, you know the TRUTH! Coach Elizondo, if you were any kind of decent human being, you would leave with whatever dignity you have left. You don't even have the support of your peers: not teachers, coaches and administrators, why would you want to stay? YOU and YOU alone have successfully destroyed your "girls" by using and manipulating them in such a shameless way. If you really cared about them, how could you do this to them? How could you allow them to be used like this? How could you put them in this situation? Is this the best leader for these students and athletes. I am thankful that my child is no longer a part of this game playing and I am so glad she walked out of that gym with her dignity and esteem in place. Coach, just do what is best for your girls, your parents and your school, go away gracefully!
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related links Posted by 346709 on May 10, 2008 at 10:30 a.m.

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If this business about the Whiners ("whinning" and dining carroll coaches & administrators to influence playing time for spoiled kid), is true---then the gutless vendido coaches and the integrity bankdrupt high school leadership and ccisd, to include superintendent, need to be removed. We need to make this coach who has the guts to stand up to this crap and crappers and make her superintendent today!

There are worse things than a couple of so called bad words, how about morally & ethically bankrupt leadership?
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related links Posted by 245502 on May 10, 2008 at 11:01 a.m.

A show of hands,kids..how many here are surprised that Susie-Luna-Self Promoter would once again seize on a matter that doesn't conern her and has nothing to do with her and use it to get a little more face time on TV?

What is it with this portly shrew that she feels the need to turn everything into a racial issue simply to get a little more self publicity? Between she and Nancy Vera,they've dragged the reputation of an otherwise fine organization like LULAC through the sewer with their shameless race-baiting antics and pathetic need for self-promotion.I used to be an ardent supporter of LULAC but no more..I refuse to support organizations that are "led" by race-baiting publicity hounds who are more interested in where the microphones and cameras are than in doing what's right and just.

Dr. Hector must surely be turning over in his grave over what race mongerers and publicity hounds like Saldana and Vera have done to a once noble organization.A pox on both of them for turning LULAC into a joke and the object of scorn and ridicule..they've destroyed LULAC's credibility simply to make a name for themselves,and in the process,set the cause of civil rights back 20 years with thier blatent pandering and self promotion.

They've cried "wolf" far too often,to the point that people are sick of hearing them,and,as in the children's story,no one will pay attention to them when the "wolf" really does appear.If LULAC still has a shred of the integrity and courage they once had,they'll purge themselves of the likes of these two self serving,shameless publicity hounds.
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related links Posted by 712481 on May 10, 2008 at 11:02 a.m.

What qualities make for a good teacher and Coach? Think on that for a minute! Would a really good leader and role model have put her students on her battlefield? This situation should have remained private between Coach Elizondo and her supervisors. Coach should never, ever have told her students nor her players about what her situation was. She has selfishly and shamelessly
brought her students and players into this. She has told lies and assumptions to these children that have damaged friendships and the chance to have another winning team. Why bring in the race card Coach? Why use and manipulate your "girls" in such an EVIL way? This has never been about RACE, MONEY(who has it and who doesn't) or PLAYING TIME! So Coach, why bring in LULAC, NAACP and the GI Forum? These girls have never once thought about their skin color or their money, until you pointed it out. As for all those parents who griped and complained about their beloved coach last season to other players parents and other Carroll coaches, you know the TRUTH!! Coach Elizondo, if you were any kind of decent human being you would leave Carroll with whatever dignity you have left. You do not even have the support of your peers: teachers, fellow coaches or administrators. Why would you want to stay? YOU and YOU alone have succussfully destroyed your "girls" morale by using and manipulating them in your battle. If you really cared about them, how could you have done this to them? How could you have put them in this situaton? How could you do this???? Is this the leader you parents want? I am so thankful that my daughter walked out of that gym with her dignity and esteem still intact, despite the role model she was given. Coach, why not just bow out gracefully??
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related links Posted by 702497 on May 10, 2008 at 11:14 a.m.

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She is nothing more than another Jesse Jackson. I am Mexican and I hate LULAC. They are nothing more than a club for racists crybabies. They make the rest of us look bad.
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related links Posted by 712481 on May 10, 2008 at 11:51 a.m.

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Don't forget the NAACP and the GI Forum. I am hispanic and I have made a good name for myself both professionally and socially and these groups just obliterate anything that I have ever done for myself. Where is hard work in all of this? Go get a real job would you and promote real Hispanic issues.
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related links Posted by 710686 on May 10, 2008 at 12:59 p.m.

Raising my hand....Susie Luna is a joke. My friends who are teachers have left AFT just because of her. Now that's sad.
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related links Posted by 711842 on May 10, 2008 at 1:27 p.m.

Susie Luna and Joe Ortiz....I have never once seen these two clowns ever, EVER build something or someone up. I have only seen them tear people down. I was also an AFT member who left the organization long ago because of the way they have made us as teachers look like idiots. AFT president Juan Guerra is the icing on the cake.

It is much more than a couple of bad words, poster 346709. A teacher who gets drunk in front of her students, repeatedly intimidates them with the use of the "F" word, and much more...the ends do not justify the means.
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related links Posted by 709651 on May 10, 2008 at 1:58 p.m.

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Based upon their conduct in this situation, I think the phrase "morally & ethically bankrupt leadership" applies more to LULAC and AFT.
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related links Posted by 712482 on May 10, 2008 at 1:59 p.m.

I am incredulous that ANY teacher feels it is acceptable to curse at a student for ANY reason. Unfortunately, many of us are aware that belittlement and humiliation of students by some teachers and staff occur all too frequently in our schools. The enlightened among us also know this behavior has absolutely no redeeming value in society, much less in an educational setting. Over the years, I have heard numerous stories and at times witnessed students being disrespected by faculty, staff, administrators, and I always think, “How on earth can we expect our youth to learn to treat others with respect and dignity if they are not receiving it themselves from some of the most important role models in their lives? What positive lesson can a child possibly glean from sarcastic, spirit-breaking comments?”

We all share responsibility in helping our students grow into caring, compassionate adults. CCISD, for the sake of our community, please view this debacle at CHS as an opportunity to revisit and reopen this imperative dialog, a reminder that we must all continue to be positive role models for our children and for each other.
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related links Posted by 712483 on May 10, 2008 at 2:39 p.m.

If anyone knew the real truth of what was going on, they would know she needs to leave.
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related links Posted by 712483 on May 10, 2008 at 2:50 p.m.

I am dropping my membership to AFT for their role in this. They needed to check their facts before they took sides.
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related links Posted by 712484 on May 10, 2008 at 3:46 p.m.

This is getting ridiculous. If all of the accusations are true, and it does sound like there are plenty of witnesses who are ready and willing, then she needs to do the right thing and resign. Our children have CIVIL RIGHTS to have a coach who knows how to be a PROFESSIONAL, even though she has brainwashed some of them into thinking they can't do it without her. Just because she is the head volleyball coach does not mean she is immune to to following the rules. Every employee of the district signs a contract that says they can be reassigned at any time, but after all the hoopla she's created, who's going to want her or trust her now? By involving these civil rights organizations instead of owning up to her poor judgement, all she has done is created negative publicity for herself. The players would be much better off with a coach who conducts herself/himself in a professional manner. I'm proud of CCISD for standing up for what they know is right in this matter and not being intimidated by her or AFT's scare tactics. Not that AFT has much credibility, but maybe they should be more careful who they chose to represent in the future by getting all the facts first and looking into the history of whoever's requesting their representation. By the way, what are Luna's creditials anyway?
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related links Posted by 710237 on May 10, 2008 at 3:54 p.m.

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I'm raising my hand, too!

Finally you and others are seeing my earlier point when I referred to Luna as "Atilla the Hun." This woman is a disgrace to the AFT and to LULAC. I don't get it. Why do they put up with her? And that goes for her protege, Nancy Vera, who is a younger version of Luna. I guess that makes Vera a "Hunette."

Why do AFT members allow this to go on and allow Luna to be part of the AFT personnel? She proports being a lawyer but guess what? She is another Celis. She doesn't even have a degree! So AFT members how in the world do you allow her to represent you who hold certified degrees? All she does is intimidate by her presence and loud mouth. Is that what you really want?

And for those not in education, let me tell you that Luna does nothing to uphold solid good teaching. She isn't even a teacher!She represents teachers who have had problems in the classroom teaching and are wanting to hold on to their jobs when they should be getting out or fired! I will not work alongside anyone who has the AFT represent them when they do a lousy job. I got out of AFT because of this and I suggest the rest of you who were blindly led to join...get out at the end of this school year. You are better than AFT.

But thankfully, the AFT no longer really holds the power in the district it once had because they are a joke...but they were always a joke.

LULAC, like the AFT, needs new leadership. LULAC has lost it's credibility. The poster is right...they cry wolf too many times. And now when I see someone being protected by LULAC I know immediately the person is a loser. LULAC no longer upholds what is good and fair. I don't even think that Joe Ortiz is smart enough to decide who and how to represent a case for someone who might have a real issue. Ortiz step down and allow someone to take over who can bring LULAC back to it's once stellar era. You probably don't even know what I mean by that, do you?

Anyway, thank you to all the posters who finally came out today to make statements about Luna/AFT/Ortiz/LULAC. I thought I was all alone out there.

I hope Ellizondo realizes how badly she was misled. She was used yet she did allow it.

But I still think she needs to resign gracefully while she still has the opportunity. Just leave quietly with no dust behind you. Start over some place. Make this a hard lesson: Don't drink in front of your players or with their parents; stop cussing around the kids; start finding ways to treat kids with dignity and respect; refuse any type of gifts; if a parent takes you out to dinner, get a separate ticket. If parents want or insist in giving you a gift, tell them to make a donation to the Booster Club in your name. Keep it all clean. I do wish you the best of luck. You deserve another chance but in a different school district.
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related links Posted by 711577 on May 10, 2008 at 3:55 p.m.

This volleyball issue is not now and never was about playing time! That is just a lame excuse to try to make parents who care about their children and their welfare look like they do not have legimate motives. This is also not just about foul language. Although not condoned, the real heart of the issue is about the mistreatment, cruelty, demoralization, and retaliation that has been going on for years now. It is a miracle there are any girls left on the team! Thank you to Terry Morris and the rest of his coaching staff for treating the players with the respect they deserve,being good adult role models, and representing an athletic program we can all applaud! Dr. Templeton is a man of honor and is doing a great job! Carroll High School is lucky to have him!
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related links Posted by 711842 on May 10, 2008 at 4:06 p.m.

With regard to the person who said Coach Elizondo teaches Health, which includes sex education....the sexual references she made / makes to students are not part of the health course, trust me. These are explicit remarks she made / makes regarding when the girls on the team might have lost their virginity, when she lost her virginity, how young men use their sex organs and for what, etc.

Completely inappropriate.
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related links Posted by 710237 on May 10, 2008 at 4:09 p.m.

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Luna was a paraprofessional before she became part of the AFT personnel. Even as a para she was "hell on wheels." When she left to join the AFT personnel, her last two schools threw a party because not only was she divisive on the campus but she was a lousy paraprofessional because she was always busy being the building rep and stirring the pot. I guess she was busy building herself up so she could work at the AFT local office. So, she was never in the classroom where she belonged tending to special needs kids. This was during the busing era.

As a para she might have had some college hours but back then one probably didn't even have to have college hours to be a paraprofessional but just hold a high school diploma.

Luna does not hold a degree yet she represents teachers. How stupid is that?
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related links Posted by 710237 on May 10, 2008 at 4:10 p.m.

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OMG!!!!!!!
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related links Posted by 712483 on May 10, 2008 at 4:18 p.m.

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You are absolutely correct.....even the young men in her classes think she is out of line and have been embarassed by her crude & consistently inappropriate remarks. Students know the difference in moral character and integrity and this has become a sad joke. Where are those three R's on the CCISD poster? There are many outstanding teachers & coaches of the highest moral standards at Carroll High School and this should not be a reflection on any of them!
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related links Posted by 710237 on May 10, 2008 at 4:20 p.m.

Oh, by the way, I think you all should know that there is one school board member who is wined and dined by the AFT year after year and that is LUCY RUBIO.

You can find how involved Lucy Rubio is with the AFT by all her photos on their website.

AFT and Lucy Rubio...great bedfellows.
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related links Posted by 710237 on May 10, 2008 at 4:22 p.m.

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Again:

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is outrageous. This woman should not be allowed on campus on Monday. She needs to report to the Supt.'s office.
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related links Posted by 712483 on May 10, 2008 at 4:29 p.m.

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It is all true.......the actual wording she uses to kids and the lies she has spread about children could never even be written on this blog.......there can never be any excuses for it........it is unbelievable!

We must be a community that continues to protect our children in all situations. We must demand that the schools have adults that continue to be positive role models for our children. We must not turn our heads and allow this to continue.
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related links Posted by 709651 on May 10, 2008 at 4:45 p.m.

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This is my understanding -- from both students and colleagues -- also. Her behavior with students has been completely inappropriate and something that should be dealt with by administration as a personnel matter....in spite of AFT and LULAC's attention.

Unfortunately, the teachers who pay dues to AFT thinking it is a professional organization are supporting very unprofessional behavior. Although I was a member, I was also made a target by the very people my membership dues supported.
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related links Posted by 243825 on May 10, 2008 at 5:26 p.m.

No one has stated exactly what the issues are which makes it all seem to be specualtion. If someone knows the exact allegations list them, because it seems obvious that that they weren't listed in a professional evaluation of this coach/teacher and are therefore not in her record. If there is not a mention of any allegations in her record there is no easy way to remove her. Teachers have contracts and as such have due process. The supervisor here does not seem to have followed proper procedures - ie verbal warning, written warning, etc.
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related links Posted by 710686 on May 10, 2008 at 6:32 p.m.

As long as this Luna woman is a part of AFT, everyone should just save their money and not join. Send a message loud and clear.
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related links Posted by 702497 on May 10, 2008 at 7:29 p.m.

I will say this much...I hope this coach is happy now. Look at the mess she has created. Looks as if it backfired on her. If she is making sexual insults to her players and talking inappropiately to her students then she needs to go. I don't want her near my kids. If she was ever to say anything that she is being accused of saying to my children I would raise hell with the district. There is no need for this kind of behavior. There are too many people on here that are complaining about the same thing. It is hard to take this coach's side.
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related links Posted by 454245 on May 10, 2008 at 9:22 p.m.

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I'm sorry...perhaps I misread this? Terry Morris treats players with respect? You have got to be kidding. He is the worst role model that our kids could have.
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related links Posted by 710237 on May 10, 2008 at 9:31 p.m.

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And how should you know? Such information from the direct supervisor is not made public unless Elizondo wants to make it public and this is something she does herself;otherwise, it is a personnel issue and the direct supervisor is not at liberty to address it with the public.

Elizondo evidently has not told you the entire truth or "the rest of the story." I guess she also thought that the flack that has surfaced about her would never hit the news but it has. She under-estimated what the parents and the public will stand from their child's coach. Shame on her!

Susie Luna, her "sponsor, " failed to list the issue/s other than she had something on tape she was so willing to play at the rally. Big deal. If the school's AD told Elizondo she was going to be reassigned, he had every right to do it. The race card was brought up to get attention. It had nothing to do with race. Now, all of this has snowballed and done more harm than good for Elizondo.

I find it very interesting that I have not found one teacher or parent support her in this. The statements in the CT are overwhelmingly negative of her. Please recall the incident with the former Ray High School principal. He had hundreds of positive statements about him. But Elizondo has none and what has been stated is all bad. She needs to go.

By the way, Elizondo was offered due process but she never wanted to meet with her principal to addres or resolve this issue. Again, she received poor advice from Susie Luna.

Now, I feel there are enough comments that now the principal must address them. The entries about the sexual information during the health class needs to be investigated. Perhaps CPS needs to interview the students.

Like many things probably the parents and the students never wanted to bring up because they were afraid of Elizondo and her vindictive behavior towards her players. They kept quiet. Perhaps that is why some of the parents used the other tactic to be nice to her so she would in turn be nice to their kid. Now, everyone feels more at ease to bring these things out...they all need to be investigated and addressed. Please begin with the CPS and her teaching during the health class. I am outraged and am glad she has never taught my child. If she remains at Carroll, I will never never allow her to teach my child.
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related links Posted by 260472 on May 10, 2008 at 9:35 p.m.

It is really time for all of this to end. Its starting to sound like Coach Elizondo may want to just go ahead and resign, before she brings the whole coaching staff at Carroll.
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related links Posted by 260472 on May 10, 2008 at 9:42 p.m.

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Sorry i meant to say: Its starting to sound like Coach Elizondo needs to resign before she brings down the whole coaching staff at Carroll.
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related links Posted by 454245 on May 10, 2008 at 10:05 p.m.

the coaching staff at CHS needs to be brought down....except for a few coaches who really have the best interest of the kids at heart....the athletic staff is a joke. If we want to get into sex...ask Coach Morris and the football staff from several years ago if female students were allowed into the boys' locker room before football games to....you guessed it...have sex....with some of the football players. Elizondo may have made some mistakes. But she is not alone. If she was so terrible and this was going on for so long, why didn't her supervisors take care of it before now? We're that afraid of retaliation? I don't think so.
Coach Morris.... I hope you are afraid for your job. You are not stupid or ignorant. Surely, you have heard these allegations before if they are so pervasive. You turned your head because you didn't want to be bothered. Volleyball is a girl sport. You could not care less.
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related links Posted by 454245 on May 10, 2008 at 10:09 p.m.

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This is the most insightful and intelligent entry on this subject. Thank you 712482. This does not start or end with athletics.
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related links Posted by 710237 on May 11, 2008 at 2:34 a.m.

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Honestly, this is so outlandish. Sex before a game? No way. Everybody knows this is just not done. Who are you, anyway?

Threats for Coach Morris? I don't think so. Unlike Elizondo, he would have a truck load of support and would not need a rally across the school to support him, either.

Even if he did anything, it's already in the past. Give it up, sucker. No one is going to listen. Coach Morris, like Chuck Norris, has nothing to be afraid of.

Probably no one knew about Elizondo's behavior until recently. Evidently, it all came to a head within the last month or so. These things take time and take an investigation which could have been on-going. You don't really know.

Let it be known that I might not have a "past" of a life of crime but if I go and commit murder out of the blue or rob someone, I will have to pay the consequences. No one is going to take into account that my past was clean. Elizondo might have had a "clean past" but the fact remains that she has done something/somethings this semester that merit an IMMEDIATE action and that could be a reassigment; however, it appears that will not be the case. Because this has snowballed she may have to resign or allow herself to be fired. I suggest she resign and just move on.
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related links Posted by 711381 on May 11, 2008 at 9:39 a.m.

This is exactly what my professor taught me in college. I'm young but lessons are still being learn by this chaos at Carroll. The climate of the school must be in the best interest of the students. This will not only hurt the athletes but it will trickle over to the non-athletes developing a climate that is counter productive to real learning. SOMEONE IN LEADERSHIP SHOULD DO WHAT'S RIGHT FOR THE MAJORITY OF ALL STUDENTS AND PUT AN END TO THIS. THANK GOODNESS THE TAKS TEST ARE OVER!! Now as a 24 year old I have sense to understand Ms. Elizondo shoud meet with the supt. and comprimise an end to this. If they are both in this business for the kids then do what's right for them. When I played sports I was taught that we must do what's best for the team; not one individual. NOW I CHALLENGE THE CCISD LEADERSHIP AND COACH ELIZONDO TO DO WHAT'S BEST FOR THE TEAM (school cllimate) AND RESOLVE THIS MATTER BEHIND CLOSED DOORS; BUT DO IT NOW! How old do you have to be, how many degrees do you have to earn, to understand you are hurting 90% of your school learning enviroment. As I said before I'm glad I was taught by the best.
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related links Posted by 712493 on May 11, 2008 at 10:15 a.m.

Although i realize this is not a soccer issue, she is one of our soccer coaches as well and it is unfair that she is being removed from the whole school (including the entire soccer team) instead of just the volleyball program. Yes, i've been told hundreds of times that "she's different in volleyball and soccer" but if that is true why are we being forced to face the consequences for what she does in a different program. Although she may have complaints in volleyball it seems unfair of her to not have a chance to defend herself but simply be told to leave because a few parents don't like her. If every parent did this method of removing a coach because of something they did not like we would be stripped of athletics entirely. In the program only a few families do not like her but why not here the opinions of those who believe she is the best coach for the job. I agree that this is not an "olympic program" but it is also not elementary school sports, you are supposed to compete for your playing time. Every single sports coach benches girls but why is she the only one being criticized for it? I find our administration weak for giving in to the demands of a few parents, because if it is that easy for someone to be removed there will soon be a line outside their offices. Maybe I'm wrong but it seems the procedures used for attempting to get her removed are incorrect.
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related links Posted by 710237 on May 11, 2008 at 12:35 p.m.

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Well said, young one. Perhaps you should have been the one representing Elizondo all along.

Too bad Elizondo skipped her college class that day. All teachers learn about school climate, school ethics, the chain of command, how to work with parents, and how to handle ourselves with children. As a coach, I guess she never had the basics down about being a team player and what it entails.

Hopefully, Elizondo has learned to shake the likes of Susie Luna, AFT, and LULAC when and if she decides to report to such a meeting that was the suggestion of 711831. At some point she will have to meet with the school administration. She can't continue to hide from them and ignore their request for her to meet with them as she has been doing thanks to Susie Luna's input.

Luna/AFT/LULAC have done absolutely nothing to help her out. They have only made things worse for Elizondo. For this reason, Elizondo must now leave them out of the equation. If Elizondo remains to keep Luna et al, I will really feel she is one stupid lady. "Stupid is as stupid does."

Can this situation be saved? At this point it doesn't seem like it can. Whether what has been written about Elizondo is true or not the fact remains that such comments are now held as perceptions by everyone who has read them and those who have heard about them.

I think it is important that Elizondo begin to trust Dr. Templeton. Together, they need to come to an understanding of what is best for the whole school and especially the team. So much has been hurt to this point. Elizondo needs to do the right thing. She can no longer think about herself because, unfortunately, when she did before it all backfired on her really bad. I can see nothing that can be salvaged for her at this point. Sad indeed.

I pray that Elizondo finds peace. I can't imagine the turmoil and anger she must be experiencing at this point. For that I do feel sorry for her today. May she find the strength to do the right thing and move on. In time, she will find healing.
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related links Posted by 702497 on May 11, 2008 at 1:51 p.m.

I will not allow my girls to play sports or have any contact with this coach. She needs to stop where she is at and find another school or another career soon.
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related links Posted by 260472 on May 11, 2008 at 5:08 p.m.

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You have got to be kidding me!!! This IS NOT about Coach Morris or any of the other coaching staff. It is about Coach Elizondo and the allegations made against her and no one else. I am appalled that anyone could even suggest such a thing. No coach in their right mind would knowingly allow anything like this to take place!

Why doesn't everyone just wait until the adminstration does whatever it is they plan to do. Believe me, we will have no say in the matter and hopefully LULAC will have no say either. If there is proof of wrong doing, she will be reassigned or fired. If not, she'll stay, and the adminstration will watch her like a hawk.
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related links Posted by 711381 on May 11, 2008 at 5:41 p.m.

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Thanks post 710237! I'm glad someone out there is seeing what I see. Let's hope for a quick solution. I agree with you also. My Coach taught me also to never make decision when you are emotional. Take time to calm down and rationally think out your process. He said you can make100,000 good choices and make 1 bad one when you emotional and it can change your life forever. If they end this now they have the entire summer to heal and get ready for another athletic and academic year.
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related links Posted by 709539 on May 11, 2008 at 6:01 p.m.

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A lot of people could learn from you in all walks of life. I find the two day rule to work best - don't do anything for two days after any crisis. Reactive decisions seem to be the worst ones.
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related links Posted by 353542 on May 11, 2008 at 6:44 p.m.

Coach Elizondo has made some bad choices. The worst decision she ever made was associating with one particular mother whose daughter is on the volleyball team. This mother wines and dines Coach Elizondo, supplies her with booze, takes her to the UT games and sits her in the prestigious "box". This mother makes sure her daughter doesn't sit the bench even though there are better players on the team. Now, she has a younger daughter entering Carrol next year. The mother tells everyone that the daughter is working on setting. Why, because as a freshmen the younger daughter has been promised a starting position on the varsity team. Coach Elizondo is by passing a lot of talent because of her so called buddy's daughters. That's why parents are ticked off. Their daughters work hard and are not given an opportunity because some parents are influencing the coach.
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related links Posted by 235951 on May 11, 2008 at 7:12 p.m.

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you say that because you probably are not very good at it and cannot teach it. it is the #1 sport in the WORLD
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related links Posted by 235951 on May 11, 2008 at 7:19 p.m.

( i didn't get to finish) SOCCER IS THE #1 SPORT IN THE WORLD-unlike your whatever sport you teach and your little cc circle.
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related links Posted by 711381 on May 11, 2008 at 8:40 p.m.

HONEST QUESTION - NEED HONEST ANSWER! As I stated before I'm very young and will be finishing my Master's soon; but for my benefit (education) what makes a club coach more knowledgable than a high school coach? Do they go to a different training? Is it possible for me to get the same training as the club coach? Is anyone associated with club volleyball as a coach an expert? Last, how do you become a club coach, do you need a degree? I'll be teaching and coaching soon and I want to be the best that I can be for my student/athletes. Please help HONESTLY!
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related links Posted by 712503 on May 11, 2008 at 10:08 p.m.

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wow your really dumb. how many times has coach elizondo spent time at other players homes being wined and dined? MULTIPLE times a week. Quit accusing families and players, everyone has lost sight of the true problem: HOW BAD OF A COACH, COACH ELIZONDO IS. This isn't about race, money, or playing time, but she has manipulated her "players" into believing it is in order for her to have a little fight at keeping her precious job. GET OVER IT. Leave gracefully now, you already made youself look like an idiot. Why would you want to stay knowing everyone at Carroll highschool, really,reallly hates you. I wouldn't want to. Good luck Coach Elizondo with the next job you screw up. I wish you the best. HA
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related links Posted by 710237 on May 12, 2008 at 12:03 a.m.

Well, people, I am sure by the end of the day on Monday, hopefully the hoopla over this unsavory story comes to an end. May Carroll High School and her students and staff return to a peaceful place where the kids come first and the end of the school year is a fun and memorable for everyone.

If the Coach is moved...so be it. Life has to go on. If she remains, well, hopefully she has learned some lessons.

I do think the community needs to take a hard look at LULAC and make some decisions about supporting it. May LULAC make attempts to find strong leadership to guide it.

I also think the members of the AFT also need to take a hard look at their "leaders" and make some hard decisions about who they are and the type of people to represent them as well as to the type of school issues they take on. I say we send them a new deck of cards with all the cards in the deck....because they aren't playing wtih a full deck.

I urge all AFT members who found this incident a tacky and unprofessionally handled that they withdraw their membership to the AFT. I urge you to consider the ATPE. There, if you need some advice or someone to represent you an actual school lawyer will assist you immediately. Your dues are a lot less and you will be proud to be part of such a professional organization...and not a mickey-mouse one as the local AFT in town. This AFT has seen better days and it was a very long time ago.
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related links Posted by 711523 on May 12, 2008 at 9:01 a.m.

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I do not think club coaches are more knowledgable than high school coaches. I am a club coach for Braggin Rights Volleyball Club (BRVC) and this was my first year coaching. I am in school, have a full time job and deciding on coaching because I abosolutely love the game. So, to answer your question, no, you do not need a degree. What you need is a typical background check and you also have to attend IMPACT trainning in order to become a registered USAV coach. Contact the Boys and Girls Club off Greenwood to find out about any phone #'s needed to contact BRVC about possibly coaching next year.
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related links Posted by 712510 on May 12, 2008 at 9:32 a.m.

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keep her at taft
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related links Posted by 712510 on May 12, 2008 at 9:34 a.m.

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the parents
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related links Posted by 712510 on May 12, 2008 at 9:40 a.m.

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i think what you need to do is come into the school for any class. i think that theseteenagers have some one to tlak about sex other than there parents maybe we bring down our teenage pregency in nueces county . you know we have the highest rate in the nation . you go coach!!!
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related links Posted by 260472 on May 12, 2008 at 9:47 a.m.

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Too funny!!
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related links Posted by 452408 on May 12, 2008 at 9:49 a.m.

Post 239291:

You have got to be joking!!

Coach Morris is one of the worst. I attended and graduated from Carroll High School in 2002 and I wish he had been sent packing way before then. He is one of the crudest people I have ever met. He plays favorites (probably why our football team has consistently gotten worse over the years) and thinks he is God's gift to...well...everything. I couldn't stand him then and I definitely can't stand him now. Let's just say I am glad I moved to Calallen where my children will never have to deal with him unless it is while kicking his butt on the field. Even as a high school student I had zero respect for him. So please let's not defend the worst one at the school!!!

If anything wrong goes on with any of the coaches, it's probably because they are learning from him!
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related links Posted by 710237 on May 12, 2008 at 10:20 a.m.

Okay, what's the latest on this saga?

Anyone heard anything?

Did Coach Elizondo report to school today?

Is another rally being set up for after school today?

Is LULAC or AFT saying anything?
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related links Posted by 712406 on May 12, 2008 at 10:25 a.m.

In six seasons at Carroll, Elizondo has led the Tigers to five straight district titles in Class 5A, including six straight playoff appearances. She's posted a 133-53 coaching record at Carroll and has a 187-115 career volleyball coaching record in 13 seasons.

I don't get it. From her record it looks as if she knows what she is doing. If the girls were losing and she has super star players on the bench this whole thing would make sense.
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related links Posted by 710237 on May 12, 2008 at 10:39 a.m.

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Wow, I don't get it either, if your numbers are correct. I am impressed.

Too bad, then, that she felt it important to speak so ugly and unprofessionally to her girls. Too bad, she allowed herself to be wined and dined by parents or a parent that it eventually impacted who played. Too bad she lowered herself to using vulgar language around the boys and the girls and referred to sexual matters. Too bad she allowed her girls to get involved with an adult problem which was totally hers and not theirs. Too bad she follwed Susie Luna, AFT, and LULAC's advice. Too bad she had the assine rally.

Too bad because it all didn't have to happen. This is another case of a coach who felt she was too good and possessed a misplaced sense of power over her team.

I guess it really isn't if you win or lose...it's how you play the game. In this case, Coach Elizondo didn't play fair and didn't play with integrity.
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related links Posted by 712406 on May 12, 2008 at 10:53 a.m.

Something else I dont get... Why of all the hot topics does this story have the most comments?
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related links Posted by 710237 on May 12, 2008 at 11:17 a.m.

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The 5 people in my office are wondering why you even have to ask!

What planet are you from?
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related links Posted by 463589 on May 12, 2008 at 11:39 a.m.

As a parent in Odem Texas, we will hire this coach. We need some fire in our Volleyball program. We need some district titles in this sport. Every coach in football yells and curses every minute of the day. They curse at the kids and guess what happens. The kids get fired up. Many cry to the parents and the parents run to the school board to fire the coach. Bring this coach to Odem..
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related links Posted by 712406 on May 12, 2008 at 11:49 a.m.

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The planet of could you answer the question.
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related links Posted by 392620 on May 12, 2008 at 12:01 p.m.

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IF this is her record at Carroll, then her record in her 7 seasons before Carroll was 54---62..........Some of this losing record was at Sinton (just a few miles from Odem, as a later blogger suggests to bring her to Odem), where it is now suggested that she was terminated due to inappropriate conduct........So, you can have her in Odem, gladly....Best of luck getting your team fired up...
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related links Posted by 704654 on May 12, 2008 at 12:14 p.m.

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I haven't done a manual count, but I think that about 60% of these posts in this thread are of a defamatory nature. Some are abusive, and some are invasions of privacy.
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related links Posted by 454245 on May 12, 2008 at 12:19 p.m.

It sounds like Terry Morris needs to watch his back.
But then the truth of the matter is that he has already been down this road. He has been investigated numerous times and he is still at CHS. Either the allegations were groundless or he has someone protecting him. Anyone who knows anything about Carroll football knows what a terrible role model he is for our kids. Sure, he can be very charming when speaking to a group. Don't let this fool you. If Elizondo has been such a bad influence on these kids for so long, why didn't anyone act before now? Surely her immediate supervisor, who I believe would be Terry Morris, knew the problems. He just looked the other way? He just didn't care? Only when he had influential (and that is a term that should be used loosely...who are these parents and are they really that influential?) parents meet with him to devise a plan to get rid of her, did he react.
I guess these parents will win in the end. I don't see how she can stay at this point. But really, who are the winners and losers in this? These parents have done some major damage to their reputations. I think the kids are winners; they will still have a fine season no matter who is coaching because the majority of them are hard-working athletes AND students who will persevere not matter what crap swirls around them.
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related links Posted by 260472 on May 12, 2008 at 12:21 p.m.

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If Morris was so bad, then he would have been gone along time ago. Again, this issue is not about Morris, its about Elizondo.
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related links Posted by 454245 on May 12, 2008 at 12:39 p.m.

If Elizondo was so bad, then SHE would have been gone a long time ago. It goes both ways.
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related links Posted by 258638 on May 12, 2008 at 12:46 p.m.

I can't believe how many people are fired up over this. This is completely ridiculous! This is the best argument I can think of to get sports out of our schools. It is a GAME, people. If you don't like the coach, don't play the game. It isn't like there are any million dollar women's volley ball players (and it would be stupid if there were). Try teaching your kids to read and write or be Girl Scouts - something positive. Teaching your kids that games are this important in life leaves them skewed for life.
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related links Posted by 277512 on May 12, 2008 at 12:53 p.m.

bottom line parents paying off coaches will never end in ALL sports. I have seen it first hand from way back when when I was associated in different organizations @ Carroll and now that my kids play soccer (not at carroll). Parents ARE THE BIGGEST PROBELM and always will be. I for one wouldn't want my kid to be somewhere if he didn't earn it but some people are relentless in making sure their kids, that usually SUCK, shine! I agree if she, Coach Elizondo, is a problem then she should be removed. I have heard stories about her from a girl who used to play volleyball with her at Carroll a couple of years ago and have personaly seen her in public (INTOXICATED)and would have to say that I would not want my daughter looking up to somebody like her. It's one thing to have your personal life be personal, but as a coach, teacher and community leader they should know better and hold themselves to a higher standard! No one is perfect but damn...if some of these allegations are true...WHAT THE HELL was she thinking?!?!?! You made your bed...so you lay in it now girlfirend!!!!
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related links Posted by 463892 on May 12, 2008 at 1:13 p.m.

Is Elizondo at work today???
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related links Posted by 238145 on May 12, 2008 at 1:27 p.m.

Yes, her record is impressive. However, these kids all play club and they can coach themselves. I think there is more to it than favoritism to some parents and their kids. We will soon find out. Whatver the outcome, this will hurt the team. Stay tuned...
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related links Posted by 252401 on May 12, 2008 at 1:37 p.m.

If people got this outraged over academics and student discipline in CCISD our school district would be much better.
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related links Posted by 233913 on May 12, 2008 at 1:54 p.m.

In order to have a real conversation about some of the coaches, you would have to also have a conversation about some of the attorney's whose children have been on their teams.... it isn't going to happen, except around the kitchen table between angry parents.... the only reason this is being brought to the forefront about Elizondo is because she was foolish enough to have a press conference about this.... she probably should have just used what she knew about Morris to get him to back off and all of this would have quietly gone away. She really took some bad advice, and the parents who are furious that their daughters have been hauled into the middle of this mess by Elizondo, are right on the money. She should never have made this an issue for the girls on the team... this was her problem, and she should have dealt with it as a responsible adult - not the petulant child.
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related links Posted by 233913 on May 12, 2008 at 1:57 p.m.

Oh, and as for the poster who wanted to know why so many posting about an issue that so many would consider unimportant.... it's because this issue has been festering at Carroll for many, many seasons.... and finally people have the ability to speak out anonymously without their children being punished by a dictatorial coach... my guess is that this is happening at schools all over the country.... it's a shame good coaches are so hard to come by...
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related links Posted by 712484 on May 12, 2008 at 2:18 p.m.

can we talk about gas prices now?? but seriously, how about those tornadoes?? the cyclone?? the earthquake??
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related links Posted by 710237 on May 12, 2008 at 2:23 p.m.

Okay, so what is the latest on this coach?

Will she hold a rally across the street at 4 PM today and announce the outcome of this fiasco she gave birth to with great help from AFT, Susie Luna and LULAC?

Is she busy right now getting the girls new T-shirts to wear at the news conference on her behalf?

So, who knows what has happened? Surely, she has met with somebody today to address this issue? What is the outcome?
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related links Posted by 710237 on May 12, 2008 at 2:32 p.m.

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Yes, you all...the type of bad advice she got from AFT and Susie Luna.

This is the type of stuff this woman creates at all the public schools. She talks big and she talks loud but she is nothing. It is embarrassing how she throws her weight around. No one who is anybody has respect for her. I feel sorry for the poor uneducated paras and laborers who go to her for advice. She gives them such hope but it's all lip service so they can feel endebted to her but she actually does nothing for them.

It is beyond me why the union tolerates her and encourages her type of behavior. Now, that I think about it, she must act just like Elizondo with the way she puts people down. The union must also be afraid of her or she must have a lot on them...after all, they aren't the most ethical group around. It is not beyond them, and the like of Susie Luna, to lie and make things up in order to promote a case.

For all the educators who are so smart and saavy, it pains me to see them continue to renew their membership to the AFT. Think, people, think! Is this what you want to belong to?????
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related links Posted by 710237 on May 12, 2008 at 2:40 p.m.

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Gulp!

You are pretty scary.
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related links Posted by 710826 on May 12, 2008 at 3 p.m.

And when all this is said and done, we will still lead the nation in drop-out rate, we will still lead the nation in lack of diabetes education, we will still lead the nation in diabetes related amputations, we will be ranked right at the top in teenage pregnancy, we will be ranked right at the top in childhood obesity, we will be ranked right at the top in the number of homeless students but by gosh we will have almost 200 postings about a high school coach, LULAC and the AFT.

Donde estan LULAC y AFT con esos otros problemas. Para LULAC y AFT, ni un solo centavo mio. (where are LULAC and AFT with those other problems, for LULAC and AFT not one cent from me)
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related links Posted by 462110 on May 12, 2008 at 3:45 p.m.

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Way to stand up for what you believe in!!
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related links Posted by 710237 on May 12, 2008 at 3:51 p.m.

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Amen, Sista!

Amen Bro!

I hear you. You are so right.

AFT has never done anything for me but give me grief and put a very negative tone to everything they address. I have never met one of their members who is positive but rather destructive about education and the administration on all levels.

They are not team players at all especially when they support inept district staff people. They bring down our standards. I see this so much from the local union yet when I read something from the national site, it has a total different tone and I think, "Are these the same people?" No, they aren't.

LULAC might have done something for my father in his era but certainly not for me other than embarrass me. Even my dad, may he RIP, saw the demise of LULAC many years ago. It has never returned to it's days of hope and support. And with the likes of Susie Luna, Nancy Vera, and Joe Ortiz, it never will.

I have seen AFT give support to teachers who have no business in the classroom. The union has a total lack of regard for the students who are in most cases from the barrios and they are the ones stuck with poor performance from such teachers. It's a crying shame. You'd think the union would tell that teacher to shape up or ship out. But, no, the union instead fights against the principal and makes life difficult they hope for the principal but in actuality they are harming kids who need to learn...but aren't because of a lousy teacher.

I think AFT needs to start doing the right thing for kids and give back dues to the inept teachers they support. Those teachers should not be in the union and certainly not in the schools but I guess AFT will do anything for a membership due which amounts to about $120.00 a month from teachers! How stupid is that?!

The district should also not tolerate the "teachers" that are on staff at the administration building who represent the union and go out to assist teachers who need help in all the schools. What kind of a mickey-mouse thing is that? I can tell you that one of those so-called teachers had about 60% of her class FAIL the TEAMS (which what it was called in those days) year after year. Such "teachers" are poor models or mentors for new or struggling teachers. They don't have a track record for success and I think this is somthing that needs to be addressed. I hope this particular concept is studied and re-evaluated for it's effectiveness.

Again, this was a program promoted by the last Supt. who just wanted to pacify the union. I suggest we evaluate this program. It certainly will save the taxpayer money. If teachers need help in the classroom, I suggest that the district get the consultants to give this type of help. They are the ones who have been successful in the classroom and have a true pulse of what is going on in the classroom...not a has-been dig-bat who should have retired already. Yeah, you know exactly who you are.
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related links Posted by 710237 on May 12, 2008 at 3:54 p.m.

I meant, "a has-been-ding-bat."
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related links Posted by 712444 on May 12, 2008 at 4:10 p.m.

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If you want her you can have her. As a player for Carroll it would make my day if you got her...and then you too will experience hell on earth
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related links Posted by 712444 on May 12, 2008 at 4:20 p.m.

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Her record may make it seem like she knows what she is doing, but im 100% sure if you sat in on one of her practices you would laugh. Take a look at her coaching staff. Coach Crawford trained with the olympic team, Coach Cain played college ball, these are thepoeple that are behind the scences doing the real coaching.
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related links Posted by 710237 on May 12, 2008 at 4:21 p.m.

Hey, Doris, looks like you have a job in Odem!!!!

Isn't it sad that Poster 71237 above has to come out and express her feelings like this? There is no telling what and how Elizondo ruined their lives. I bet we only know the tip of the iceberg. When she finally leaves, the kids will probably need therapy. Yes, I am serious.
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related links Posted by 711762 on May 12, 2008 at 4:36 p.m.

Same song and dance.
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related links Posted by 712406 on May 12, 2008 at 4:48 p.m.

Sounds to me that it would be better to be the kid on the bench , because since your not playing you wont get yelled at, have your life ruined, and then need therapy.
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related links Posted by 258638 on May 12, 2008 at 5:03 p.m.

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How about getting these kids some life skills like reading and math and writing coherently. I have never in my whole life had a potential employer ask me what position I played on the volleyball team. This is why we are importing people from outside the area for good paying jobs. Our local people can play volleyball but they have no job skills.

People get a life and quit trying to live through your kids. They and you will be better off!
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related links Posted by 712510 on May 12, 2008 at 5:03 p.m.

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the first person who has no sins may judge i guess that none of you can only god can judge. so lay off
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related links Posted by 711523 on May 12, 2008 at 5:03 p.m.

I have been an athlete all my life.....for one, those who are complaining because they are just as good if not better than the ones getting to play, and if you are going above and beyond these players in practice...then I can understand being upset. However, lets not start making this about her yelling or say bad words. As far as the sexual comments....yes, that is wrong.

All I am saying is I got yelled at a lot, but I didn't cry about it, I used the frustration to my advantage and got over it like a big girl. Trust me, that quality helps me to this day as I am the youngest manager in my area of expertise. If I let everyone who yelled at me get in my way, I would still be underneath some heavyweight wanna be.
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related links Posted by 710237 on May 12, 2008 at 5:07 p.m.

You know, I was just thinking that I still recall my fifth grade teacher who belittled me and made me feel small. I'm in my 60's and still it haunts me. Luckily, I was able to meet up with her again and I was able to tell her how she made me feel. Later, I found out that she treated other kids like this AND she didn't get along with the staff either. They were glad to see her transfered when she moved.

I hope the volleyball girls find some peace. I hope they have the opportunity to tell Coach Elizondo how she made them feel. Elizondo should not leave CHS without knowing how she wronged these young lives.

If all of this causes Coach Elizondo to take a hard look at herself and that she change the way in which she coaches and treats students, then perhaps some of this will have been worth it...and at the CHS girls' expense unfortunately. How can that be worth it???
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related links Posted by 710237 on May 12, 2008 at 5:13 p.m.

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Well, good for you and I'm happy for you. But you have to understand that not everyone has the same dispositon, personality, or make-up as you do. You were able to rise and address the situation in your own way. It worked for you

But not everyone is like you. There are so many kids out there who might have looked strong on the outside but inside were just crumbling and never told anyone. This hurts. This does not build a kid up.

I'm glad you can tolerate the curse words. Maybe you will feel differenetly when you have children and that is not the way you raise them. No one should curse your children. How does that make them better people? It does nothing but tear them down and sends a clear message that such language is acceptable and okay. After a while it becomes the norm. How sad.
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related links Posted by 257622 on May 12, 2008 at 5:28 p.m.

Sounds to me like some of these kids need to suck it up - I was an athlete in high school and college and my coaches put me through hell, but I am the better for it today. I would go back and thank any one of them because I know they only made me a stronger, more independant person. I'm not saying this coach is a saint, or even right in the way this has all been handled, but there comes a point when you have to grow up and not take things personally and just get through it. Some of the best coaches in the country are hated by their players, but I would guess a good portion of those players would go back and thank them for being tough.

Also, just because you played college ball or trained with the olympic team does not make you a good coach.
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related links Posted by 262709 on May 12, 2008 at 5:58 p.m.

Sad Times Bro.....Sad Times
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related links Posted by 702497 on May 12, 2008 at 7:48 p.m.

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What are you talking about?
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related links Posted by 402366 on May 12, 2008 at 8:58 p.m.

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how about....people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones............?
Some of the righteous on this thread so easily criticize. How would you like a group to set out, as their mission, to find bad things about you?
Yes, we are talking about a coach who impacts students. But as parents, arent' we our kids' most visible and important role model? How many of you are without faults and a past?
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related links Posted by 402366 on May 12, 2008 at 9 p.m.

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what could you possibly know about hell on earth? Have you ever heard of Darfur, Iraq, Afghanistan, Myanmar?
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related links Posted by 462672 on May 12, 2008 at 9:37 p.m.

The Office of Civil Rights found MCHS Volleyball in non-compliance of Title IX. You have to wonder about a coach that makes her players “pay to play.” Let me quote OCR: “beginning in 2008-2009 school season, varsity, junior varsity, and freshman volleyball players will no longer be required to pay for a ‘package’ that provides them with the components of their practice and competitive uniforms and gear. Any items that CCISD requires these athletes to provide for themselves will be similar in cost to items required of male athletes in football, basketball, or baseball.”
It is outrageous to charge the families of female athletes $185 for an athletic “package.” Did it ever bother Coach Elizondo that she was charging players to play, but male athletes never had to "pay to play?" How about when the MCHS softball team went to use the weight room in 2006 and found urine on the floor a crap smeared on the wall to let them know “No girls allowed” Did she protest such disrespect to female athletes or did she stay quite….She hasn’t been an advocate for female athletes.
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related links Posted by 259368 on May 12, 2008 at 10:19 p.m.

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But did your coaches in college actually understand the game they were coaching? Or did they rely on their assistants to do their job? This lady knows nothing about the game of volleyball, and would be nothing without her amazing JV (Assistant) coaches. She can't even run her own practice without the help of the JV Coach. Every team huddle in “the heat of the moment” was just profanity and threatening. Never once did she strategize how to win a game. When it came down to “crunch time” we all relied on the other coach (who played college volleyball) to tell us what to do. So I'll grow up and suck it up when I see a decent practice held and run by the "head" coach.

Also, I would think it would definitely help a coach out if she at LEAST played college volleyball somewhere. If you honestly checked out the credentials on Doris compared to her last two assistants coaches you would laugh. It's quite funny how much more qualified they are for the job, yet she holds the position?
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related links Posted by 710237 on May 12, 2008 at 10:38 p.m.

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They probably couldn't find anyone to fill the volleyball position except her. Very sad, indeed.

It appears to me that she needs to leave in order that a more qualified person come in to coach the team.

So, what are her credentials anyway?

Where is she originally from? Anyone know anything about her?
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related links Posted by 710237 on May 12, 2008 at 10:39 p.m.

So, once more...what is the conclusion to this fiasco?

What happens to Elizondo?
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related links Posted by 233913 on May 13, 2008 at 6:19 a.m.

To the posters who talked about how we don't need a town full of volleyball players (or high school athletes) who can't do anything else, it might be interesting to take another look. Some of these teams have a really high percentage of their players who end up on the national honor role list. It appears to me that students who have a team, find encouragement from one another to do excel in just about everything they do... since the "no pass/no play" rule was enacted, students who are part of good teams in the high schools have pushed each other not to "let the team down" by not passing a class.... I think there can be much more to the athletic program than meets the eye. I also like the idea that these students are involved in after school activities that don't involve grafiti - gangs - etc., etc. I just think that the administration needs to make sure that those coaches don't become abusive and vindictive.
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related links Posted by 712510 on May 13, 2008 at 7:40 a.m.

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I AM TALKING ABOUT WHO ARE SITTING ON THE OUTSIDE AND JUDGING THIS COACH BY WHAT SHE DOES IN HER TIME OFF I THINK THAT IS NONE OF ANYONE BUSINESS. I KNOW MOST OF THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE PUTTING HER DOWN BECAUSE SHE DRINKS . WHO ARE THEY TO JUDGE NOW DO YOU UNDERSTAND
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related links Posted by 423831 on May 13, 2008 at 9:20 a.m.

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Coach E has "selectively" collected this money as she felt like it. Her pet players are frequently not forced to pay this. She buys a bulk order of practice gear, shoes and game gear each year for the girls. She recently showed up at a booster club meeting with a two year old invoice for equipment for aproximatly $2,600 that had not been paid and told the booster club they had to pay it. No other documentation, no explanation as to where everyones "equipment fee" money was spent. There are other allegations regarding her use of the booster club funds that have been reported to the administration. All of these allegations are not just coming out, the current "investigation" was started before last season. It just did not become public until Coach E made it so. There are a lot of parents and players who have come foreward in the last few days since ths press conference with stuff nobody knew about before, they were all intimidated and did not want their daughters to be punished, benched or belittled by the coach because the parents were "whining". Another issue that seems to have worked in coaches favor has been the turnover in the Carroll principals position. I have spoken with four or five parents who claim to have lodged complaints with principals over the last five years, but they were never followed up on. CCISD has a formal complaint proceedure which is about eight pages long, most of us were not given these packages to use when we went to the principle or administration. we wre told they would "look ito it" and sent packing. I understand that many of these have been filled out signed and returned to the Carroll admin since last Friday when a large group of current and former CHS Volleyball parents met with Scott Elliff.
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related links Posted by 710826 on May 13, 2008 at 11:35 a.m.

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This "Coach" took it public when she went to LULAC.
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related links Posted by 710237 on May 13, 2008 at 12:33 p.m.

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I also want to know what poster 244 said below poster 423831. It was removed.

Well, this whole thing gets worse before it gets better. I thought it was ready to be resolved in some way but I guess not.

I had stated earlier that I felt there was more to the tip of this iceberg. It is usally that way. I also felt strongly that parents and kids never wanted to come forward because of fear of retaliation. They knew so well, didn't they?

I am glad the parents finally banded and got their act together. I am glad that Dr. Templeton is doing his job. Stay strong, people. Do what's right for Carroll Lane athletics and the girls most of all. The girls will survive. They will understand. They probably already do.

What happened to Elizondo, among many things, she thought she was untouchable. She had gotten away with so many things in the past she kept on truckin' as they say. I was feeling sorry for her but after reading how she has handled the equipment purchases, talked to the booster club people, and of course how she treated the grils, I no longer feel sorry for her.

If she loses her job at CHS or is reassigned she should consider herself lucky because her teacher certification is also at stake.

If she is still holding classes I hope that she is being monitored because there is no telling what Elizondo will tell her students about all of this to sway them and have them feel sorry for her. She has proved to be very unprofessional and very immature in her judgement already. She can no longer be trusted.
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related links Posted by 260472 on May 13, 2008 at 12:50 p.m.

"Do what's right for Carroll Lane athletics and the girls most of all"

Wrong school.
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related links Posted by 710237 on May 13, 2008 at 1:29 p.m.

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My bad.
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related links Posted by 322991 on May 13, 2008 at 3:21 p.m.

This would make a great prime time soap, better than Dallas and Jr.
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related links Posted by 361861 on May 13, 2008 at 7:33 p.m.

People continue to defend the athletic director but he is to blame. A few years ago several softball girls quit the team because of a very abusive coach, who is now gone only because she moved out of town by choice, not because she was reassigned or fired. Coach Morris ignored the parents' cries about this abusive, controlling woman. I know this because my friend's daughter was one of them. The coach continued to mock and abuse the girls even after they quit. The AD and principal were both aware of this, but nothing was done. WHY NOT? The coach had a winning record. It is obvious that the AD makes winning the most important thing at this school. Win at all costs, even when it destroys children's spirit and dignity. I think it's time for him to go. Yes, I am bringing up the past because it shows that this man has a record for putting things under the table. Wake up CCISD, academics should come before winning.
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related links Posted by 711381 on May 13, 2008 at 9:11 p.m.

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Did she have a daughter that played softball and received high honors?
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related links Posted by 259368 on May 13, 2008 at 10:02 p.m.

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Ok when her "time off" involves associating herself with other teammates' parents and having late night drinks for the rest of the team to accidently witnesses, that is just VERY UNPROFESSIONAL on her part! I agree her personal business is her personal business but when she fraternizes with her player's parents outside of school, it then becomes everyone's business. And we are not putting her down because she "drinks", a lot of people drink. WE ARE PUTTING HER DOWN BECAUSE SHE MAKES STUPID DECISIONS!

NOW DO YOU UNDERSTAND???
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related links Posted by 253004 on May 13, 2008 at 11:04 p.m.

My post is probably a day late and a dollar short....but I do feel compelled to step in and support organizations like LULAC and NAACP, their initial fight for flight movement was needed and they should ultimately be recognized for that...but we are no longer in the 1950s and the more organization play the race card, the longer it will take to move forward...we live in a time when an African American and a woman can be president....long past due....organizations such as LULAC should focus on projects and programs bringing people of all races together...that is the real purpose of any of these organizations....my family has a long history and involvement in the formation of LULAC and the current leadership is still fighting that fight in a time when the rules of the game have changed...unfortunately, Hispanics, African Americans, and Whites at one time or another need to be reprimanded, it is not race, it is business...Suzie Luna is a bully, she has learned that is what makes her heard. The sad thing is, she has lost her true spirit of kindness in her game for fame....her affiliation with AFT must be looked into....as an AFT representative she must protect all members....anglo educators, should be worried...will she really go to bat for you if needed...if race is an issue for her, there is a conflict of interest for AFT....
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related links Posted by 710237 on May 14, 2008 at 3:39 a.m.

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Oh, wow. You might be "a day late and a dollar short" but thank you for writing what you did.

You are my hero. You nailed it right on the head about the focus that LULAC has or had at one time and why. I knew it had lost it's sense of mission and though I was a proponent of it returning to it's "former glory," that cannot be done and now I understand why. We are in a different place in history. Who's going to tell THEM?

I don't know who you are but people like you need to go to a meeting and take others with you. You can inspire the group to refocus. You must.

Thank you so much about what you said about Susie Luna. She truly is a bully. I think she is so out of control. I, like you, feel that at one time she knew what kindness was all about but instead rage became her mantra. How sad, indeed. I suffered at her hands the rage she exhibited but I also saw one glimmer of kindness at one time when someone had died in my family. I think she has misdirected her energy. She can still change and I hope she does change.

Yes, the AFT membership need to decide about Ms. Luna. She is no longer able to think objectively as seen by the Elizondo debacle.

I've always felt that one problem that the AFT membership has is that they don't think. They join sometimes, I think under pressure. They allow a small group of people run the show. The officers are always the same; they just exchange positions. The membership is told who to support and who not to support which I guess is fine as long as you don't go against your own conscience. At times, I have wondered if these people even have a conscience because of what I have experienced and observed. They are mean-spirited. They gossip and spread rumors. They decide who they will "pick on" in the schools and zero their efforts to see the demise of an educator. Mostly, these are administrators. Their agenda is not student-centered. And these are the very people who teach children. Is there someone out there who can stop this madness?

Instead of promoting good teachers and good teaching, all I have seen the union do is support teachers who have no businees in the classroom and who need to be fired or encouraged to leave teaching for another profession. But, no, representatives like Susie Luna give no thought to the kids in the classroom who are the beneficiaries of an unskilled teacher. The union fights the district, tooth and nail, to do all that is needed to address poor teacher performance. It should not be this way.

Let me add that the union has always been this way whether it was being led by Linda Bridges or Juan Guerra. It isn't anything new and all the blame should not be deposited at Juan's feet.

I hope that the Board of Trustees sees the role of the union within the district and how they misguide the district in every way. I hope their "clout" is waning.

Tonight, I am going to bed with the knowledge that someone out there understands me.
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related links Posted by 712510 on May 14, 2008 at 6:54 a.m.

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FIRST OF ALL , DID YOU SEE THIS OR ARE YOU LIKE EVERYONE ELSE JUST LISTENING TO THE RUMORS?
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related links Posted by 712510 on May 14, 2008 at 7:07 a.m.

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I AGREE WITH YOU AUSTIN, SAN ANTONIO AND HOUSTON ALL HAVE SPORTS AREANA JUST FOR VOLLEYABLL AND OTHER SPORTS AS WELL. THAT IS WHAT WE NEED FOR CORPUS CHRISTI
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related links Posted by 712510 on May 14, 2008 at 7:08 a.m.

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NOT HER SHE IS JUST AS BAD
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related links Posted by 712406 on May 14, 2008 at 9:12 a.m.

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An arena just for volleyball? Ha Ha. This city is too busy fighting about the coaches. Our whole city is stuck in the dark ages , because all we do is fight. Besides, do you want an arena for teams that lose? It seems everyone wants a coach who is so sweet and nice (even though our own comments are nasty) and plays all our little kiddies even if we lose. Arenas are for schools who want to advance their programs.
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related links Posted by 259368 on May 14, 2008 at 9:21 a.m.

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Personally saw it, thank you very much. Walked into a home (not naming names) and saw the coach sitting inside sipping "martinis." These are not rumors. It's all facts.
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related links Posted by 402366 on May 14, 2008 at 9:48 a.m.

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If you teach at Carroll High School, I suggest you start teaching. How many of your many comments have been posted during the school day? I hope you're not teaching my child.
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related links Posted by 402366 on May 14, 2008 at 9:51 a.m.

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It would get a little bit better if we would stop this insane posting. Do you really think anyone "in charge" will read these and take action based on an anonymous blog entry? I'll stop if you will.
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related links Posted by 242334 on May 14, 2008 at 10:27 a.m.

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Facilities is a different discussion. Back to coaching, can you Honestly say that Coach E consistantly plays the BEST players at each position day in and day out regardless of class (fr,soph,jr,sr.) or favoritism, to give this team and program the the best opportunity to Win? If so the kiddies that have been on the floor have done enough loosing. The support for the coach to stay @ CHS seems like it would benefit a select few rather than the entire program as a whole. A trained eye of talent and true competetors might mean the status quo is over and its time to move forward. Most of the kids in any sport can compete in district 27 5A...not all the teams can compete past the district level because the talent isn't there.....its a shame this team can't move on when it has talent that could help it move furhter in the post season. Parents need to be realistict and understand that there might be someone better at the position than your child. It happens all the time in pro sports as well as amature sports, it's part of life.
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related links Posted by 710237 on May 14, 2008 at 10:45 a.m.

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FYI...I'm retired and I'll write whatever and whenever I choose.

If you don't like what I write then don't read it. No one has a gun to your head to make you read any of the comments.

I think I hold some truth in my statements and that really irks you. Too bad. Get over it you twit.
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related links Posted by 710237 on May 14, 2008 at 10:50 a.m.

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Oh, I'm sorry. I thought YOU were in charge and that is why you have been reading all of my posts.

Frankly, I don't care who reads them or doesn't read them. I will keep writing for what is right and uphold the truth. It must really irk you for some reason. Again, get over it. And I don't give a flip if you stop or don't stop your postings. I don't care what you do, frankly.

Are you Susie Luna? Get back in your cage, please.
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related links Posted by 402366 on May 14, 2008 at 11:14 a.m.

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Please, pardon me. I thought you said in an earlier post that you were a teacher at Carroll. I'm glad you're not.
If you are retired, may I suggest a hobby....maybe birdwatching or stamp collecting?
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related links Posted by 712444 on May 14, 2008 at 11:35 a.m.

just end this already...give her the boot
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related links Posted by 712444 on May 14, 2008 at 11:39 a.m.

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Elizondo's winning record has NOTHING to do with her coaching capabilites. This woman has amazing players because 100% of them are on club volleyball teams. Think again before crediting the success of this school's team to Doris Elizondo. All you girls wanting her to stay, you're morally debased by this woman and obviousy have no idea how a coach should treat her players. SHE CANNOT WALK AWAY WITH SKILL YOU HAVE ACQUIRED ELSEWHERE, so take this opportunity as a chance to have a coach that can actually build this team up rather than making a mockery of the entire school.
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related links Posted by 712435 on May 14, 2008 at 12:33 p.m.

After reading some of these posts, it's no wonder the kids are not getting along, the adults are setting a horrible example! Whether she stays or goes will be up to CCISD. Both sides should make their case, present it, then let the decision be made. Live with it and move on!

NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS, THESE GIRLS WILL HAVE TO COME TOGETHER TO PLAY AS A TEAM AND SUPPORT EACH OTHER WHATEVER THE DECISION IS, OR THERE WON'T BE A TEAM AT ALL!

Some of these girls used to be best friends and now they aren't even speaking. After high school, none of this will really matter. I've known Coach E for years and she has always been very nice. I've never been in the locker room with her or in her classroom so I can't speak for that.

This should be a wake up call for all teachers and coaches and even parents everywhere. You should always be careful of the example you are setting and how it appears to others!
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related links Posted by 427586 on May 14, 2008 at 12:47 p.m.

start believing in our children and their talents and teach them that the right thing in life is not always the easiest thing to do. I applaud the past players and parents and the senior girls who have stepped up to help our future girls and to help make MCHS VB team better.
This group of volleyball players are some of the most outstanding young girls in south texas and in volleyball, Do you know that there are two teams from south Texas that have qualified for the Junior Olympics this summer and out of those 2 teams the majority of them are girls that have sat on the bench most last year, and that one of the teams has gone not once but 2 times already and that they have won the Bronze in last years Junior Olympics- and are heading there again for a 3rd year in a row! Do you realize that if we had a REAL coach in there that taught them something and challenged these girls that we would and could be playing a state tournament soon, do you realize that our girls need our support and energy to help them reach for the stars, Do you realize that this coach has stepped on their self esteem and has hurt them more than anyone would ever know. Our girls are smart, talented and capable of anything, most all of the girls are on the honor roll, top 10% of their class this year, do you reallize its because of their parents support and encouragement that we have such an awesome group of girls, Do you realize that ALL of these girls love each other and this coach has done nothing but divided our girls and fill their hearts with hurt. and bitterness.
Do you realize that when this is all over and done that the memories will live a life time with each one of the girls and they will be sad that one person destroyed some unbelieveable friendships... dont throw out the whole bunch... get rid of the bad apple and encourage the new seeds to grow healthy!
Once she is out ... look out MCHS Volleyball girls ....will bring it on!
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related links Posted by 423831 on May 14, 2008 at 1:38 p.m.

To expand on 427586 post

There are six girls from the varsity team at CHS that will represent Corpus Christi at the Junior Olympic National Championships this summer, on two different Teams. Along with nine other young ladies from the area, three from Callalen, two from KHS, one from Kingsville, I am not sure where the other three attend. Please realize what an acomplishment this is, HUGE! Also it is a tremendous testament to the club system's growth in Corpus. Of the six CHS varsity players who will be at the JO's this summer Coach E only starts one. (the one whose parents she parties with) one of the others is our Libero who can not be a starter by definition of the position. She is the best player at that position that I have ever seen, including college, and gets plenty of court time. The other four get some playing time, but usually not at every match.
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related links Posted by 710237 on May 14, 2008 at 2 p.m.

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Why should this bother you so much? Give it a rest, okay? You bore me.

I'm a retired sub at CHS. I know what is going on. So there.

Stay tuned for my other postings, okay?
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related links Posted by 712435 on May 14, 2008 at 2:15 p.m.

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"Of the six CHS varsity players who will be at the JO's this summer Coach E only starts one. (the one whose parents she parties with).....

WHY WOULD YOU START OUT WITH SUCH A NICE AND INFORMATIVE BLOG AND PUT THIS IN?

Assuming you are an adult, you just singled out a child who is not making the decisions for this team.

A lot of posters on this blog have admitted to seeing her at parties at this parents house, BECAUSE THEY WERE THERE TOO!

Your post makes it sound like there is sour grapes because of playing time!

How awesome for all these girls who will go to the Junior Olympics, THAT will be a memory of a lifetime! Not high school drama!
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related links Posted by 712432 on May 14, 2008 at 3:14 p.m.

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Amen! We've been at Carroll for the last 15 years and there has been some kind of drama in every sport, drill team, booster club etc. Ten years from now, none of this will matter. Parents make comments in front of their children, and they have no business hearing all this mess. High school and life are enough for teens to handle. They constantly struggle with making the right decisions. When parents get all upset, it upsets the players or members of the team. It's no wonder kids are so hateful to each other! What you should be fighting for is MORE MONEY for teachers, coaches etc. Once that happens, everything else will fall into place. If you want a different coach, you sure have the right to fight for it, but leave the kids out of it, these aren't life altering decisions. If your child's "self esteem" is being brought down, you can always change schools and play for another coach! People do it all the time!

Playing time is never fair. There are parents complaining everywhere about that. There are always kids that get to play all of the time and we wonder why. Some sit the bench and we wonder why. So many times I've sat in the bleachers at Carroll and overheard parents talk about other parents and their kids in an ugly way. It amazes me how this eats up their life and I feel so sorry for them.

If these allegations are investigated and turn out to be true, then I'm sure the proper procedure will be followed, and a new coach will be found.
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related links Posted by 423831 on May 14, 2008 at 3:23 p.m.

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No worries about playing time, maybe I was wrong to include that. The point I was trying to make is that CHS has a large group of very talented young ladies on their varsity. All of the varsity players would probably be starters at any other school in the district, most can play at multiple positions. I am sure that the parents of those that don't play every point understand that. This is an exceptional group of young ladies who are talents are going to waste under Coach E. They should have gone much deeper into the playoffs this year and have more than enough talent to make it to the state championships next season. What they don't have is a coach with the brains, the skills or the leadership to get them much of anywhere. Instead she is setting a bad example with her personal life. Turning the girls against each other and teaching them to call LULAC and throw out the race card, threaten to sue the world and you can get away with just about anything.
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related links Posted by 454245 on May 14, 2008 at 3:37 p.m.

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finally! an intelligent entry that is not full of emotion, hype and meanness. 712432...YOU are exactly right in everything you said. Playing time is subjective. Parents are never an unbiased judge of their own kid's ability. This is about plain old fashioned jealousy. Some of the kids the posters are referring to are young...they will be stars next year or the next. Because they made the team (wasn't that an accomplishment to be on varsity as a freshman or sophomore?), does that necessarily mean they have to be a starter? You're saying your child should have started over the girls that did all last seasonr?
Parents need to grow up. They are the ones that are prolonging this agony. Keep your mouth shut around your kids. They will be fine. This will be a life lesson for them. Sometimes life is not fair. Sometimes you don't get what you want. Sometimes your talents are not recognized. But money and complaining parents aren't going to get you the type of recognition you want.
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related links Posted by 458038 on May 14, 2008 at 4:11 p.m.

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How many arguments have you had with your teenager or parent. How many times have they yelled back at you, slapped you, you returned the slap and they back talked you. My point is this, no one turned you in to CPS or called the police because, when dealing with teens its hard and when dealing with over 100 teens its even harder.

Who's to say it won't happen to you whether on your job or while shopping one day. Someone may decide to fire up a group of people and attack your character and before you know it you're in trouble.

Will everyone be satisfied when a Coach is hired who just wants
everyone to play regardless if they've been to Junior Olympics? What if he/she start the ones who haven't started before? What if they cut girls fromt the team? What if girls who have worked hard end up losing their positions? Will everyone be in on the hiring of a new coach next time? And what if the new coach doesn't play to win?

People are you sure you're not mad at the wrong people.
CCISD was just sued and they were found guilty for unfair treatment to females atheletes at MCHS. This woman's life is ruined. Her employer took they're hands off of the situation, allowed parents to run with it and now its a huge mess.

Get mad at CCISD. They need to be held to the same level of accountability for unfair treatment, hurting these girls feelings, crushing their self-esteem, causing undo stress and mental abuse both now and in the future as well.
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related links Posted by 710237 on May 14, 2008 at 5:26 p.m.

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For your last paragraph: Baloney.
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related links Posted by 712481 on May 14, 2008 at 6:05 p.m.

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This is not CCISD, this is Coach Elizondo. She did this when she allowed athletes, teachers, lulac, gi forum and NAACP into her private conversation with her supervisors. She is the one who "ruined" her life by not following TEA guiedlines. She has no one to blame but HERSELF. No excuses for her.
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related links Posted by 402366 on May 15, 2008 at 6:50 a.m.

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So this is NOT about playing time....right? Did you actually read your comment before you posted it? If those 3-time Junior Olympians had not sat the bench, Carroll would be more successful? This is, was and will always be about playing time.
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related links Posted by 709651 on May 15, 2008 at 7:22 a.m.

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Oh no.....CCISD did not make this the embarrassment that it is for this coach/teacher.....she did that will the help of Susie Luna, AFT, and LULAC. I hope other teachers will see what happens when Susie Luna is allowed to guide and represent them, no matter how much in dues they paid for the "privilege."
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related links Posted by 712406 on May 15, 2008 at 10:40 a.m.

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My nephew played in a CYO league when he was about 7. All the players got equal playing time. Maybe we should do that with these kids so everyone will be happy. Or lets just cancel all sports and we can talk about real issues like better teachers, facilities, textbooks, etc. .. all which were lacking when I went to Caroll and no one ever complained.
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related links Posted by 454245 on May 15, 2008 at 11:05 a.m.

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I think this is an excellent idea. Every girl gets equal playing time. That should make everyone happy. It will especially make all the Carroll opponents happy. Some members of a team play; some contribute by being part of the practice team. That's life.
And I don't think things have changed at CHS...all that you have mentioned are still lacking as they are all over the District.
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related links Posted by 712432 on May 15, 2008 at 2:16 p.m.

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Be realistic. Sports are awesome and a lifesaver!

No Sports = higher dropout rate & over crowded jails.

Belonging to a team or organization is sometimes all the family and support a kid has!

Not all kids are academically gifted. I was so proud to hear that the volleyball team is gifted in both areas. That's great!
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related links Posted by 427586 on May 15, 2008 at 11:37 p.m.

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Just back your bus up! My point was to say... we have Great Girls! ALL of them! And I am very proud of them ALL .....they are ALL GOOD GIRLS.......... Get a grip will ya! Your losing it!
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related links Posted by 710237 on May 16, 2008 at 3:35 a.m.

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Yeah, 366 needs to get a grip all right. First she was picking on me and now you. She sure is taking all of this very personally. Imagine, how carefully she reads all our enteries. She must use a fine-toothed comb.

Chill out, person 366. We all want what's right and we're all for the kids. Life's too short. Take it easy this weekend, okay?
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related links Posted by 712510 on May 16, 2008 at 6:20 a.m.

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SO WHAT WERE YOU DOING THERE??? DRINKING PERHAPS
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related links Posted by 402366 on May 16, 2008 at 10:15 a.m.

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why do you assume that I'm a woman? Didn't you get shot down on another blog for making inappropriate comments about "mommies"? Fathers are just as passionate about sports as mommies are.
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related links Posted by 402366 on May 16, 2008 at 10:47 a.m.

LOOK FAMILIAR??????
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What's up with your reference "the mommy"? It is extremely sexist and marginalizes the voice of mothers. There are many fathers that are overly involved in school athletics but I doubt you would refer to them as "the daddy." Why don't you get off your passive aggressive blaming complaint box and get involved if you don't like what someone else is doing?

ARE YOU SEXIST?
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related links Posted by 706960 on May 17, 2008 at 10:20 p.m.

You think this is bad? Move to Pleasanton where your kid will play although he or she is sub-par if you have money.
When I graduated, my principal was the same party the seniors were at (a grad's parents house). Sure, there were adults present. I don't remember if the principal or a coach who was also there did have a few drinks. We seniors were all drinking, How I got invited to the party......I don't know. I did hang around a few football players, so I guess I was "with" them since the only people at the party were cheerleaders, athletes, and preps.